Move still has to constitute itself as a threat with standout software.
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Cheebee said:
Ah okay, so you did know, I thought you didn't know about the European black bundle at all until now, but it was just that it was more expensive, then. Yeah, so that was just individual retailers being greedy, haha. The new black bundle was launched in Europe in November, but prior to that, in September, the original bundle (white Wii + Wii sports) got a pricecut, from €249 to €199. http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/europe-gets-eur-50-wii-price-cut_1?unbury=1293141 When the black bundle with WS Resort & WM+ came along a couple of months later, the price stayed the same, so €199. There was no mention of a pricecut then, because really the price didn't drop. It remained €199, but because the new bundle included WM+ & WS Resort, the overall value of the bundle was higher.
Incidentally, back then the UK & Ireland didn't get the pricecut for the white Wii + Sports, but instead a bundle including WS Resort and WM+ for the old high price. See this link for further clarification: http://nintendo-revolution.blogspot.com/2009/09/nintendo-cuts-wii-price-by-twenty.html 'Just to clarify the situation in Europe: Nintendo has not set a recommended retail price, but will reduce the wholesale price of the console. This will result in a price cut from €249 to €199, valid for the whole of Europe, except for the UK and Ireland. There, the price will remain but the bundle will be upgraded by the inclusion of ´Wii Sports Resort´ and a Motion Plus dongle.' Later, in November, this bundle was made into the official black Wii bundle and released in the rest of Europe, albeit at the current €199 pricepoint. |
I suspected, after your first replies, and alas you are confirming it to me, that actually they were the Italian retailers to be awfully greedy.
But suggesting the reason was Kevin Butler is still more amusing! 
| Maynard_Tool said: Was this a joke thread? |
Both joke and serious, I like to mix the two things.
| Pyro as Bill said: Haha, go Kevin Butler. Seriously, I think Nintendo wanted to see how well M+ was going to do before making it standard. WSR did better in Europe relative to Japan or the US so they got the black Wii and M+/WSR bundle first. It would be stupid to bundle M+ if it wasn't popular. I think it's more to do with the ~30M units of M+ that have been sold rather than Kevin Butler. |
This ^^
From what I've seen so far of Move I really don't think Nintendo have anything to worry about as far as Move is concerned. All of the demos we've seen so far are laggy, and fast motions are either misread or even missed completely due to the inferior hardware (the camera and the gyroscopes) and method (having the motion processing done by the PS3 instead of inside the controller as Wii MotionPlus does) that Move uses.
The only thing that Move is better at is augmented reality, so Eye Toy style games will be great. Shooters and any sort of Red Steel 2/sword fighting games will be abysmal unless Sony lessen the lag we've seen so far, which for me personally is disappointing as I was really looking forward to playing FPS, TPS and FPB (First Person Brawlers, Red Steel 2 has introduced a new genre to gaming imo) games with remote/nunchuck clones on the PS3. 
RolStoppable said:
You forgot to mention the SNES. People usually don't see it as a mistake from Nintendo because it still won its generation, but the SNES is actually the beginning of Nintendo's fall from grace. |
Well, I thought about mentioning the SNES, but decided not to, because it was such an important console for Nintendo, game-wise. It's where a lot of their IPs first appeared (F-Zero, Mario Kart and Starfox to name a few), and a lot of their already established franchises got games that defined their respective series or genres (Super Metroid, Zelda ALTTP, the DK Country games...). True, sales-wise, SNES did worse than the NES did, but the post I replied to was about competing for marketshare and software sales, and in that respect, SNES dominated its competitors.
It was only with the N64 that Nintendo began 'losing' to its competitors (mainly PS1), in both SW sales and marketshare. Before that, they were still on top. Whether by a larger or smaller amount than with NES is irrelevant to the discussion.
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Is someone really thinking that Nintendo's recent bundle announcement is a direct reaction to Sony's Kevin Butler commercials?
I sense a touch of delusion and unwarranted flattery.
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Yeah... I don't buy it.
Nintendo giving those Motion Plus devices out will improve the sales of software and will ultimately lead to people buying more Motion Plus devices.
They are trying to make it a staple for Wii consumers.
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"I wrote in the past that to counter Move's attack, Nintendo would have been forced to offer 1:1 tracking standard, with no overprice and not as optional anymore."
The problem is you are assuming the Move is something worth countering already. If the games are not appealing to the mainstream, then the greater controls and graphics fall into basically the same trap that lost the HD systems billions.
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I've said it before and I'll probably say it again; I liked Kevin Butler better when he was kicking field goals for the Chicago Bears.
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