how did i get into this? im going to find another thread thats less hostal. my peace of mind has been compromised.

That it looks like a counter-move to Move (sorry for the awful pun ).

I was referring to the first bundles that started appearing, or the price of which dropped very recently in some countries, with WM+ included and, finally this likely inclusion in future WiiMotes. Before the cut finally officially announced for the console with WM+ bundle, the last price officially announced by Nintendo was the price cut for Wii last Autumn, but WiiMote and WM+ last list prices were announced so far in the past that it was now quite difficult to identify a precise overprice for bundled WM+. Now new official prices are getting announced by Nintendo, it's quite a clearer step, and totally ascribable to Nintendo, not to single retailers initiatives. Subtleties, but there are people that think that Nintendo is some godly exception and never reacts but always acts first and with regal detachment, truth is that this gen Nintendo could and still can do this way more times than its competitors, but this doesn't mean that it always can do so. Officially cutting and then including WM+ right now means that this is one of the cases when Ninty has a reaction, early and prompt, without any doubt, to competitors' moves.

And finally a dig to malstromites: has the current incumbent become Nintendo now, maybe? 

@rolstoppable never said that SONY 1st person titles can keep it afloat, no one but Nintendo's titles can do that, as shown by Wii game sales, so I dont know where I said otherwise in my post, but im not disputing any of your points except if anyting sells more than 1 mil. its nothing to sneeze at, thats platinum status. U seem bitter by what happen last gen, if you are just let it go.

@alby da wolf u keep taking the words out my mouth

no argument there, but i'll just have to dissagree with (One million or two or three just aren't enough to argue that Sony's first party is capable of carrying an entire platform on its own.) cause those games you are referring to are the sole reason in own a PS3. evan as a nintendo fan. well you your self know why i on a wii! you may not want to hear the variety argument but it's legit.

i come to sony for everything, and nintendo for what i know will be great. but i do get what your saying. i just dissagree.

The key IMVHO is that it's not wise to be dogmatic about anything, the fact that this gen Nintendo thinks very often forward gave it the victory, but it doesn't mean that it has never to react instead. Move's possibly limited success or failure can't be assumed for sure, fact is that Move's 1:1 tracking directly attacks the WiiMote if it doesn't include it as standard equipment, so Nintendo, to play safe, has to react to the possible worst case for it and best case for Sony. Sony not being anymore clumsy, but instead quite witty and aggressive in advertising it, obviously contributed at least a little bit to Nintendo judging a reaction necessary.

@rolstoppable im not bitter about nothing, none of these corps. are putting food in my mouth so it dont really matter to me. Your the biased one, im far from that. Sony and MS are around for a reason, millions of people like their products so they keep making them. as for lifetime sales, the gen aint over. I havent seen Uncharted 2 move from the top 50 since it came out. thats pretty damn good for a system with the lowest attach rate.

@alby da wolf these guys just cant grasp that concept. its simple buisness tactics and being a fanboy is so middle school. Im going to buy a console that I perceive to have the best games it was PS3 for me with the WII as a nice supplement and PC will just get me the 360 games. that doesnt mean I love those companies

Motion plus will probably have outsold the PS3 by the time Move releases (if it hasn't already) so I don't think Nintendo are worried. Besides, Sony needs to focus on their balance board and vitality sensor if they want to win this gen.

@rolstoppable oh yeah im biased, thats why ive own every console this gen (except 360)