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Danny355 said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Well right now the Wii is doubling sales of the PS2 in the same aount of time, so unless Wii sales fall off a cliff there is no doubt it'll catch the PS2 in about three years

Crazy talk! For that top happen the Wii would have to sell over twice what it has this year (40 million) for the next 3 years in a row. And thats if the PS2 never sells another unit, in reality it gonna have to be 45m+ for the next 3 years to surpass the PS2. Nintendo would have to more than double the production we have right now! Is that really going to happen? I think not.


 I think not, PS2 is under 112 million sales, Wii is over 14 million, a 98 million sales gap, Wii would only have to sell about 33 million a year to pass the PS2 in three years, not a difficult task at all, in fact i'll add it to my sig



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

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The PS2 is likley to sell another 15m+ units by the end of 2010 and at this point stating the Wii is going to sell 33m for the next 3 years is just silly speculation, let alone the 40+ it would realistically need to overtake the PS2. Its just about possible but very, very unlikely. People are getting very carried away after seeing the holiday numbers. Next year will be huge for the Wii but its not going to sell twice what it did this year. Lets not get carried away the Wii has sold 15m in its first year. Next year the 360 and the PS3 will be much more competitively priced so even though the Wii will be huge again I expect the market shares to stay the same as they are now.



Danny355 said:
You're just plain wrong. The PS2 is likley to sell another 15m+ units by the end of 2010 and at this point stating the Wii is going to sell 33m for the next 3 years is just silly speculation, let alone the 40+ it would realistically need to overtake the PS2. Its just about possible but very, very unlikely. People are getting very carried away after seeing the holiday numbers. Next year will be huge for the Wii but its not going to sell twice what it did this year. Lets not get carried away the Wii has sold 15m in its first year. Next year the 360 and the PS3 will be much more competitively priced so even though the Wii will be huge again I expect the market shares to stay the same as they are now.

why wont it,wii fit just released in japan so we dont know how much it did,but next year wii fit will release WW so will SSBB and MKwii which will help so much in sales,and then you got the starwars fans that will get a wii when star wars force unleashed is released



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Sugu yoko de waratteita

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Danny355 said:
The PS2 is likley to sell another 15m+ units by the end of 2010 and at this point stating the Wii is going to sell 33m for the next 3 years is just silly speculation, let alone the 40+ it would realistically need to overtake the PS2. Its just about possible but very, very unlikely. People are getting very carried away after seeing the holiday numbers. Next year will be huge for the Wii but its not going to sell twice what it did this year. Lets not get carried away the Wii has sold 15m in its first year. Next year the 360 and the PS3 will be much more competitively priced so even though the Wii will be huge again I expect the market shares to stay the same as they are now.

 Most people have no interest in the PS3 and 360, you notice even with its price drop PS3 struggled to compete with Wii, even during a lull point in the market, since sales in Japan always take a downturn in Oct and Nov, yet the Wii kept chugging along at a healthy pace, why?  Because Wii success is independent of the PS3 and 360, you think grandma is going to want to headshot aliens? Probably not, but she will want to bowl



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

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What I see if the Wii selling 34 million. IF I remember right I heard they can only produce and ship like around 1.5 million. IF you do the math 1.5 times 12= 18 million. So add that to the end of the year numbers and that is how much they will sell next year. So there is not going to be that big of number no matter what game comes out. Second the sales will still be good compared to the other next gen consoles, but just bc it does not sale 60 mill is ok. 

Just for Nintendo being ahead is the best thing in the world for me to hear!!!!!!     



Avinash_Tyagi said:
Danny355 said:
The PS2 is likley to sell another 15m+ units by the end of 2010 and at this point stating the Wii is going to sell 33m for the next 3 years is just silly speculation, let alone the 40+ it would realistically need to overtake the PS2. Its just about possible but very, very unlikely. People are getting very carried away after seeing the holiday numbers. Next year will be huge for the Wii but its not going to sell twice what it did this year. Lets not get carried away the Wii has sold 15m in its first year. Next year the 360 and the PS3 will be much more competitively priced so even though the Wii will be huge again I expect the market shares to stay the same as they are now.

 Most people have no interest in the PS3 and 360, you notice even with its price drop PS3 struggled to compete with Wii, even during a lull point in the market, since sales in Japan always take a downturn in Oct and Nov, yet the Wii kept chugging along at a healthy pace, why?  Because Wii success is independent of the PS3 and 360, you think grandma is going to want to headshot aliens? Probably not, but she will want to bowl


Most people have no interest in the 360? Im sorry but that is just delusion. In the biggest market its still going to take another 6 months for the Wii to catch the 360s sales. I dont understand your maths either, like Tuggy has pointed out there are 1.8 million Wiis being made each month at the moment, at a time when the demand is huge. So what makes you think they are going to sell more than 21 million during 2008? The Wii has just cracked 15 million in its first year, which is a stunning result, but to catch the PS2 by 2010 it would have to do 3 times that for the next 3 years, an impossible task that a few bowling grannies is not going to change! I really want the Wii to suceed and destroy the Playstation name and everything it stood for, but that is years away and the success of the PS2 shouldnt be underestimated.



Danny355 said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Danny355 said:
The PS2 is likley to sell another 15m+ units by the end of 2010 and at this point stating the Wii is going to sell 33m for the next 3 years is just silly speculation, let alone the 40+ it would realistically need to overtake the PS2. Its just about possible but very, very unlikely. People are getting very carried away after seeing the holiday numbers. Next year will be huge for the Wii but its not going to sell twice what it did this year. Lets not get carried away the Wii has sold 15m in its first year. Next year the 360 and the PS3 will be much more competitively priced so even though the Wii will be huge again I expect the market shares to stay the same as they are now.

 Most people have no interest in the PS3 and 360, you notice even with its price drop PS3 struggled to compete with Wii, even during a lull point in the market, since sales in Japan always take a downturn in Oct and Nov, yet the Wii kept chugging along at a healthy pace, why?  Because Wii success is independent of the PS3 and 360, you think grandma is going to want to headshot aliens? Probably not, but she will want to bowl


Most people have no interest in the 360? Im sorry but that is just delusion. In the biggest market its still going to take another 6 months for the Wii to catch the 360s sales. I dont understand your maths either, like Tuggy has pointed out there are 1.8 million Wiis being made each month at the moment, at a time when the demand is huge. So what makes you think they are going to sell more than 21 million during 2008? The Wii has just cracked 15 million in its first year, which is a stunning result, but to catch the PS2 by 2010 it would have to do 3 times that for the next 3 years, an impossible task that a few bowling grannies is not going to change! I really want the Wii to suceed and destroy the Playstation name and everything it stood for, but that is years away and the success of the PS2 shouldnt be underestimated.


 What are you talking about PS2 is at 112 million units according to VGchartz, which means Wii only has to sell about 97-98 million over three years, that means Wii has to essentially double its production, you do understand that while Wii is at 1.8 million per month production right now that will not always be the case, production will be added and that figure will go up.  I recommend you look up the concpets of short run vs. long run, with regards to production.

 Yeah most people do not have any interest in the 360, less than 15 million have been sold worldwide in two years that's not great demand, I mean just in the three major markets there are about a billion people plus, so that is a mere fraction of the populations owns it, and demand has been slow, by comparison Wii has suprassed that number in half the time, while being hard to find in most regions



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

Dude, 500 million is an insane number!!! i see abt 50 million by end of 2009 if wii is still this dominant, which is an optimistic number! Still i like ur the way u hype things up:D



Avinash_Tyagi said:
Danny355 said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Danny355 said:
The PS2 is likley to sell another 15m+ units by the end of 2010 and at this point stating the Wii is going to sell 33m for the next 3 years is just silly speculation, let alone the 40+ it would realistically need to overtake the PS2. Its just about possible but very, very unlikely. People are getting very carried away after seeing the holiday numbers. Next year will be huge for the Wii but its not going to sell twice what it did this year. Lets not get carried away the Wii has sold 15m in its first year. Next year the 360 and the PS3 will be much more competitively priced so even though the Wii will be huge again I expect the market shares to stay the same as they are now.

 Most people have no interest in the PS3 and 360, you notice even with its price drop PS3 struggled to compete with Wii, even during a lull point in the market, since sales in Japan always take a downturn in Oct and Nov, yet the Wii kept chugging along at a healthy pace, why?  Because Wii success is independent of the PS3 and 360, you think grandma is going to want to headshot aliens? Probably not, but she will want to bowl


Most people have no interest in the 360? Im sorry but that is just delusion. In the biggest market its still going to take another 6 months for the Wii to catch the 360s sales. I dont understand your maths either, like Tuggy has pointed out there are 1.8 million Wiis being made each month at the moment, at a time when the demand is huge. So what makes you think they are going to sell more than 21 million during 2008? The Wii has just cracked 15 million in its first year, which is a stunning result, but to catch the PS2 by 2010 it would have to do 3 times that for the next 3 years, an impossible task that a few bowling grannies is not going to change! I really want the Wii to suceed and destroy the Playstation name and everything it stood for, but that is years away and the success of the PS2 shouldnt be underestimated.


 What are you talking about PS2 is at 112 million units according to VGchartz, which means Wii only has to sell about 97-98 million over three years, that means Wii has to essentially double its production, you do understand that while Wii is at 1.8 million per month production right now that will not always be the case, production will be added and that figure will go up.  I recommend you look up the concpets of short run vs. long run, with regards to production.

 Yeah most people do not have any interest in the 360, less than 15 million have been sold worldwide in two years that's not great demand, I mean just in the three major markets there are about a billion people plus, so that is a mere fraction of the populations owns it, and demand has been slow, by comparison Wii has suprassed that number in half the time, while being hard to find in most regions


Define "Most people". You're just ignoring facts. The world wide 360 numbers dont give a realistic view of the western markets for obvious reasons. Even if the Wii continues to sell at the current rate it'll take the best part of another year to overtake the 360 in the biggest market and the Wii is YEARS AWAY from having a dominant market share in America...So how is that "no interest"?

As for your comments about the PS2, yes the Wii is currently something like 98 million behind but the PS2 is the 2nd best selling console. Your comments suggest you think the PS2 will die in a few months and never sell another unit. No need to be clever about the "concepts of long & short run" its quite simple: The PS2 has sold 5m+ this year and was STILL the 2nd biggest selling console last week.

The Wii only took around 9m out of the PS2s lead this year. So yes you're right the Wii needs to double production and keep that up for the next 3 years to pass the PS2s. Will that happen? Well despite the current crazy numbers Nintendo obviously arnt prepared to take a risk at the moment to increase the production. Let alone double the production. Even if the Wiis demand doubles tommorow it'll take another year for Nintendo tohave the confidence to DOUBLE the production.

So the earliest possible time they can overtake the PS2 is at least 12/31/2011, more likely 12/31/2012.