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For me personally, I want Sony to price it so they don't lose money on the hardware. If it ends up costing a $130 for a move, camera, and sub controller...so be it. If the games are of high quality the expense can be justified.

But I would like to see NEW game that push motion controls farther. Most of us have played Wii Sports and a variety of party games at this point. Give us something new. And please don't tack on or focus to heavily on adding motion controls to sequels of current games. I love Killzone 2 and Resistance. I would hate to see them dragged down because motion controls become front and center for their next iterations.

I would launch in early September to give 3 months of advertising and demo kiosk before the holiday rush.  They need to have a move set up where ever possible. 

 



One added thing...I think Sony needs to make a "bare-minimum" ps3 to make available with the bundle. By that I mean they should make (at least) 2 Move+PS3 bundles:

1) a regular ps3 with all the bells and whistles, and thus making it whatever high price it will inevitably have to be ($399+). BUT...

2) I think Sony would be very smart to - in order to make a bundle as cheap as possible to be competitive with the Wii's price - make another "bare minimum ps3" bundle that EXCLUDES expensive features such as wireless, a huge hard drive, and other things that can be treated as luxuries or even unneeded features. Then, like Microsoft (except hopefully much cheaper), make these things available as add-ons if anyone changes their mind at a later date and wants them.

I just now thought of this option, and although I wouldn't have really wanted Sony to do something like this "pre-Move", I think it is NECESSARY now if Sony wants success with the Move among people who don't already have a ps3 (bc the price will be too steep otherwise).

Think about it, many of the people who have bought a Wii are adults and even elderly ppl. How many soccer mom's (or old ppl) out there buying the Wii TRULY cared about the wireless capability of the machine (or the amount of HD space for that matter)? I think the average parent, when purchasing a system for their family or even for themself, has the intention of playing with their family and/or friends rather than online. And don't really foresee a need for a lot of storage space either.

It's like the foot-in-the-door approach. Sony needs to just first worry about getting a crapload of Move/ps3's in ppl's homes via an appealing LOW price ($249-299, optimally). THEN they can worry about accompanying additional needs. I think ppl will be much more willing to purchase Move/ps3 bundles this way, even if they actually still end up purchasing all the add-on bells and whistles later anyway.

What does anyone think about this? Agree? Disagree?



Pipedream24 said:

For me personally, I want Sony to price it so they don't lose money on the hardware. If it ends up costing a $130 for a move, camera, and sub controller...so be it. If the games are of high quality the expense can be justified.

But I would like to see NEW game that push motion controls farther. Most of us have played Wii Sports and a variety of party games at this point. Give us something new. And please don't tack on or focus to heavily on adding motion controls to sequels of current games. I love Killzone 2 and Resistance. I would hate to see them dragged down because motion controls become front and center for their next iterations.

I would launch in early September to give 3 months of advertising and demo kiosk before the holiday rush.  They need to have a move set up where ever possible. 

 


So you're saying Sony should price the PS3 back to $600.

Resistance: Fall of Man, Virtua Fighter 5, MotorStorm and Oblivion were great games, that Sony felt justified the price of the PS3. Consumers did not agree.



Tridrakious said:
Pipedream24 said:

For me personally, I want Sony to price it so they don't lose money on the hardware. If it ends up costing a $130 for a move, camera, and sub controller...so be it. If the games are of high quality the expense can be justified.

But I would like to see NEW game that push motion controls farther. Most of us have played Wii Sports and a variety of party games at this point. Give us something new. And please don't tack on or focus to heavily on adding motion controls to sequels of current games. I love Killzone 2 and Resistance. I would hate to see them dragged down because motion controls become front and center for their next iterations.

I would launch in early September to give 3 months of advertising and demo kiosk before the holiday rush.  They need to have a move set up where ever possible. 

 


So you're saying Sony should price the PS3 back to $600.

Resistance: Fall of Man, Virtua Fighter 5, MotorStorm and Oblivion were great games, that Sony felt justified the price of the PS3. Consumers did not agree.


Where did you infer that from?  If your stating their initial launch price, Sony's justification was the cost of Blu-Ray...and rightfully so. It had nothing to do with games.  Stand alone players were priced between $800 and $1000 at the time.  In the end, the initial high price of the PS3 is going to payoff.  They are not running into the disc size constraints that the 360 is and the cell still has room to grow.  The PS3 has a legitimate chance to exceed the 10 year life span that Sony wants.

Now that the PS3 manufacturing cost is belived to be under $300 I would think it's in their and shareholder interest to not be taking a loss on hardware anymore.  If they can run a move package including the system for $350 and still turn a small profit...great.  If the number needs to be $399, so be it.  At some point all the game companies need to make money.  They can't keep giving away their product. 

And again, if it's going to cost $130 for the complete move package, there is nothing wrong with that.  They just need to make sure that there are games to justify it.  Early adopters will pay more than your average consumer.  As the cost to produce the controllers comes down, so should the price. 

 Remember people had no problem dropping $100 on Wii Fit.  People thought it was a new experience.  Sony needs to create that same stigma for Move.



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I'll say $54.99 with just Reg

$69.99 with Reg+ Navigation

$89.99 with Reg+Nav + Cammera

launch Nov 11

4 years after PS3 LAUNCH!



Pipedream24 said:
Tridrakious said:
Pipedream24 said:

For me personally, I want Sony to price it so they don't lose money on the hardware. If it ends up costing a $130 for a move, camera, and sub controller...so be it. If the games are of high quality the expense can be justified.

But I would like to see NEW game that push motion controls farther. Most of us have played Wii Sports and a variety of party games at this point. Give us something new. And please don't tack on or focus to heavily on adding motion controls to sequels of current games. I love Killzone 2 and Resistance. I would hate to see them dragged down because motion controls become front and center for their next iterations.

I would launch in early September to give 3 months of advertising and demo kiosk before the holiday rush.  They need to have a move set up where ever possible. 

 


So you're saying Sony should price the PS3 back to $600.

Resistance: Fall of Man, Virtua Fighter 5, MotorStorm and Oblivion were great games, that Sony felt justified the price of the PS3. Consumers did not agree.


Where did you infer that from?  If your stating their initial launch price, Sony's justification was the cost of Blu-Ray...and rightfully so. It had nothing to do with games.  Stand alone players were priced between $800 and $1000 at the time.  In the end, the initial high price of the PS3 is going to payoff.  They are not running into the disc size constraints that the 360 is and the cell still has room to grow.  The PS3 has a legitimate chance to exceed the 10 year life span that Sony wants.

Now that the PS3 manufacturing cost is belived to be under $300 I would think it's in their and shareholder interest to not be taking a loss on hardware anymore.  If they can run a move package including the system for $350 and still turn a small profit...great.  If the number needs to be $399, so be it.  At some point all the game companies need to make money.  They can't keep giving away their product. 

And again, if it's going to cost $130 for the complete move package, there is nothing wrong with that.  They just need to make sure that there are games to justify it.  Early adopters will pay more than your average consumer.  As the cost to produce the controllers comes down, so should the price. 

 Remember people had no problem dropping $100 on Wii Fit.  People thought it was a new experience.  Sony needs to create that same stigma for Move.

Ok so Sony should have priced the PS3 at $800 or more and you would have bought it.



Elder scrolls with move would = sex. I would slim down. I played Oblivion for about 300 hours. So much fun. PLEASE GOD LET MOVE WORK FOR THAT. If it doesn't and natal does. I will get Natal instead.



Tridrakious said:
Pipedream24 said:
Tridrakious said:
Pipedream24 said:

For me personally, I want Sony to price it so they don't lose money on the hardware. If it ends up costing a $130 for a move, camera, and sub controller...so be it. If the games are of high quality the expense can be justified.

But I would like to see NEW game that push motion controls farther. Most of us have played Wii Sports and a variety of party games at this point. Give us something new. And please don't tack on or focus to heavily on adding motion controls to sequels of current games. I love Killzone 2 and Resistance. I would hate to see them dragged down because motion controls become front and center for their next iterations.

I would launch in early September to give 3 months of advertising and demo kiosk before the holiday rush.  They need to have a move set up where ever possible. 

 


So you're saying Sony should price the PS3 back to $600.

Resistance: Fall of Man, Virtua Fighter 5, MotorStorm and Oblivion were great games, that Sony felt justified the price of the PS3. Consumers did not agree.


Where did you infer that from?  If your stating their initial launch price, Sony's justification was the cost of Blu-Ray...and rightfully so. It had nothing to do with games.  Stand alone players were priced between $800 and $1000 at the time.  In the end, the initial high price of the PS3 is going to payoff.  They are not running into the disc size constraints that the 360 is and the cell still has room to grow.  The PS3 has a legitimate chance to exceed the 10 year life span that Sony wants.

Now that the PS3 manufacturing cost is belived to be under $300 I would think it's in their and shareholder interest to not be taking a loss on hardware anymore.  If they can run a move package including the system for $350 and still turn a small profit...great.  If the number needs to be $399, so be it.  At some point all the game companies need to make money.  They can't keep giving away their product. 

And again, if it's going to cost $130 for the complete move package, there is nothing wrong with that.  They just need to make sure that there are games to justify it.  Early adopters will pay more than your average consumer.  As the cost to produce the controllers comes down, so should the price. 

 Remember people had no problem dropping $100 on Wii Fit.  People thought it was a new experience.  Sony needs to create that same stigma for Move.

Ok so Sony should have priced the PS3 at $800 or more and you would have bought it.

 

I'm not sure.  I was on the fence about purchasing it or an HD-DVD player.  I can tell you the only reason I purchased my PS3 when I did (A few months after launch) was because it was and still is the best blu-ray player on the market.  It's the first console I've ever used to watch movies on.  The only launch game that interested me was RFoM.  But the fact that it could play games made the decision easier.

Sony accomplished what they wanted with the early PS3's but at a very steep price.  They eliminated HD-DVD.  To do that Sony had to take a loss on the PS3 to have a competitive price against HD-DVD players.  To put it simply, in the beginning, the PS3 was pushed as a blu-ray player that just happened to play games.  And it was very successful at it. Gamer's were buying it, but Sony was able to capture a portion of the videophile crowd as well.

Keep in my mind even with that huge sticker, the PS3 pretty much kept pace with the 360, and at almost twice the price.  That's a major accomplishment considering they are fairly comparable in game quality.  The other two systems that launched with a large retail price (3DO and Neo-Geo) didn't fair so well.  So I wouldn't say consumers didn't agree.  Like most new technologies, early adopters pay the higher price and get the bragging rights.  As the price comes down, the adoption rate goes up.

With that being said, I'll reiterate that I don't think Sony will make the same mistake again. 



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