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Mazty said:
Kenryoku_Maxis said:
Mazty said:

And what did I present as fact that is opinion?

See underlined below.

Mazty said:
Kenryoku_Maxis said:
Mazty said:
hallowedbeeddie said:

he´s more into action, fps, and rpg games. he is wondering if it is worth for him. he IS kind of interested after he saw red steel 2, but he hated the wii before. so I dont know

Well to be blunt if he likes action (beat 'em up? Third person shooters?) and FPS' there is nothing on the wii that comes close to rivaling those genres on the 360 and PS3.

Aside from Muramasa and Mario Galaxy.

Galaxy is a platformer, which I didn't mention as a genre, but it's a really good platfomer though essentially not what the O's mate was asking for. Muramasa vs God of War 3, or heck, even Dante's Inferno, it looses hands down. That's the thing, the wii really doesn't lead any gaming genre other than platforming with Mario Galaxy, hence if you are into FPS' and action games, it's not the right console for you.

And in my opinion, a lot of what you say passes off as trying to state your opinion as fact.

 

Oh christ you didn't just do that....-.-

Galaxy is a platformer. It does what it sets out to do well by having relatively good visuals for the console, whilst having numerous varitation in levels, and a difficulty curve which is accessible and yet hard to master, which will ensure lengthy gameplay for those wanting to master it. Are you really going to say variation in a platformer is bad? Or making a difficulty curve which is accessible is bad?

Muramasa is offering a very different experience to God of War, but the hardcore gamer will appreciate God of War more because of the greater challenge it offers, as well as the evolution in gaming that hardcore gamers tend to look for e.g. 2.5D or 3D gaming.

Basically if someone says they think Muramasa is better than God of War, it is not for the reasons of Muramasa being a better game, it's that it offers an experience more suited for that person, technically speaking.

You brought it upon yourself.  And I find it hilarious that you continue to come up with new ways to argue when you repeated my entire post with your last sentence.  Can't you even see how you're contradicting yourself?  If Muramasa offers an 'experience more suited for someone', then that means they think its a better game than God of War.  No amount of arguing about 'AI' and 'Graphics' is going to make them think God of War 3 is a better game when they personally enjoyed Muramasa more.



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@Ghost of Rubang I could not help but noticed that you left out some Key genres that Wii is not in the lead for, FPSs, racing and fighting. As a Wii and PS3 owner I enjoyed Muramasa but it was not the end all be all game. too much backtracking for one. AND if you acutally read the post the guy's friend is not into the "great" genres that Nintendo leads in. Personally my fav genre is fighting games so being a Wii only owner is simply not an option, hell PSP has more fighters than Wii. Your statement that Wii has something for everyone is not true, some people despise party games



Wii has never lacked games to warrant a purchase, not for people who play all sorts of games.



Depends what kind of games you like.

If you like FPS or RPG then no, its not worth the purchase. But if you like platformers, kart racing, party, fitness, etc. then its definitely worth it.



Yes, If you like RPGs you should get a Wii.




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The Ghost of RubangB said:
Mazty said:

Let's just take a step backward for a moment.

Games can be judged in several ways, the most prominant two ways are what is fun and technical merit. On the latter point, the Wii will fall down to the HD consoles almost every time. Does this really mean anything? Surely a game can look retro and still be enjoyable? Sure, but there are a few vital things that specs handle, such as graphics & AI. Graphics can help a game be more immersive, and AI makes a game a challenge. Without immersion or a challenge, the game is pretty pointless.

Muramasa does not appeal to the same crowd as God Of War or Dante's Inferno - it's 2D for crying out loud.It may be a great game ON THE WII, but you have to compare it to everything else on the market to value it's worth. If you are after a hack n'slash, there are games out there that will provide more of a challenge, good graphics, better AI and so on. If you are after a less hardcore experience, I'm sure Muramasa fills the spot, but from the sounds of the OP, it seems like his buddy is wondering if there are hardcore games on the wii, and in short, there are very, very few, and all are almost entirely out done by their HD console counterparts.

Hey you can't knock a game just for being 2-D.  You can't honestly believe all 3-D Sonic games are better than all 2-D Sonic games.

And the Wii actually leads in several genres other than platforming.  In fact, the Wii leads in the majority of genres.  You just don't like any of those genres.  The Wii has the best IR games, motion games, balance games, party games, exercise games, tilting games, puzzle games, drinking games, and singing games, and if Natal and Move have anything to do with it, those genres are about to explode on the PS3 and 360 as well.  But the Wii also has the best 2-D platformers, 3-D platformers, ultra-violent blood-tastic games like Manhunt 2, MadWorld, and No More Heroes 2, and the most sexually ambiguous comedy games like Muscle March and Captain Rainbow.  It absolutely has something for everybody.  It also has the most classic games, the most retro revivals (Blaster Master, Punch-Out!!, Excite Bike, Dr. Mario, Bomberman, Tetris, Contra, Castlevania, Gradius, etc.), and the most games for girls.  Girls are half the planet.

Not everybody likes God of War anyway.  Personally, I don't really like the controls in most third-person hack-and-slash games, I think Kratos is too boring and emo, and I despise QTEs.  I preferred the controls and characters of Muramasa, and I think it had some of the most beautiful artwork I've ever seen in a video game.

If Soul Caliber & Shattered Horizon taught us anything, it's that playing on a 3D plane is far harder than 2D, and difficulty is a challenge, which means entertainment and life span as someone is going to be more entertained by something which isn't a walk in the park.

Buddy, you just made up a whole bunch of genres there, so well done.
The wii does not lead in the majority of genres as you have literally made a bunch up. It does not lead in RTS', beat'em ups, FPS', RPG's, MMO's, third person adventure, third person action, arcade racing, simulation racing and so on. Those are all real genres.

Genres you have just made up include IR games, balance games, titling games and drinking games (clearly you've no idea what a drinking game is if you think it's on a console). What the wii does is it provides rail shooters, fitness games and party games with motion control. Plus what puzzle games does it lead with? Also a motion game isn't a genre, that's the controller interface.How many games are refered to as a keyboard and mouse game or a pad game?

The wii has the best ultra violent games? Clearly you've never played any game outside of the wii's library as Gears of War is far more violent and brutal then anything on the wii. Mad World is cell shaded B&W, that's hardly brutal & Manhunt 2 is multiplatform....
And no, it does not have the most 'classic games' - both 360 and PS3 have a back catalogue of games they can play, and nostalgia is hardly a good reason to buy a console as nostalgia does not mean the games are inherently good, just you have fond memories of said games. 

I never said everyone likes God of War, but would it be possible to talk to someone who has actually played on all three consoles then trying to argue about games they've never played? Kratos is emo? Clearly you've never played God of War 3, or have no idea what the word emo means (try PoP:Warrior Within).



Kenryoku_Maxis said:

Mazty said:

Oh christ you didn't just do that....-.-

Galaxy is a platformer. It does what it sets out to do well by having relatively good visuals for the console, whilst having numerous varitation in levels, and a difficulty curve which is accessible and yet hard to master, which will ensure lengthy gameplay for those wanting to master it. Are you really going to say variation in a platformer is bad? Or making a difficulty curve which is accessible is bad?

Muramasa is offering a very different experience to God of War, but the hardcore gamer will appreciate God of War more because of the greater challenge it offers, as well as the evolution in gaming that hardcore gamers tend to look for e.g. 2.5D or 3D gaming.

Basically if someone says they think Muramasa is better than God of War, it is not for the reasons of Muramasa being a better game, it's that it offers an experience more suited for that person, technically speaking.

You brought it upon yourself.  And I find it hilarious that you continue to come up with new ways to argue when you repeated my entire post with your last sentence.  Can't you even see how you're contradicting yourself?  If Muramasa offers an 'experience more suited for someone', then that means they think its a better game than God of War.  No amount of arguing about 'AI' and 'Graphics' is going to make them think God of War 3 is a better game when they personally enjoyed Muramasa more.

Let me show you an example:

Which is the better film, Kick Ass or The Last King of Scotland?
Which did you enjoy more?

Now apply this to gaming. Making sense yet?



Mazty said:
Kenryoku_Maxis said:
Mazty said:

And what did I present as fact that is opinion?

See underlined below.

Mazty said:
Kenryoku_Maxis said:
Mazty said:
hallowedbeeddie said:

he´s more into action, fps, and rpg games. he is wondering if it is worth for him. he IS kind of interested after he saw red steel 2, but he hated the wii before. so I dont know

Well to be blunt if he likes action (beat 'em up? Third person shooters?) and FPS' there is nothing on the wii that comes close to rivaling those genres on the 360 and PS3.

Aside from Muramasa and Mario Galaxy.

Galaxy is a platformer, which I didn't mention as a genre, but it's a really good platfomer though essentially not what the O's mate was asking for. Muramasa vs God of War 3, or heck, even Dante's Inferno, it looses hands down. That's the thing, the wii really doesn't lead any gaming genre other than platforming with Mario Galaxy, hence if you are into FPS' and action games, it's not the right console for you.

And in my opinion, a lot of what you say passes off as trying to state your opinion as fact.

 

Oh christ you didn't just do that....-.-

Galaxy is a platformer. It does what it sets out to do well by having relatively good visuals for the console, whilst having numerous varitation in levels, and a difficulty curve which is accessible and yet hard to master, which will ensure lengthy gameplay for those wanting to master it. Are you really going to say variation in a platformer is bad? Or making a difficulty curve which is accessible is bad?

Muramasa is offering a very different experience to God of War, but the hardcore gamer will appreciate God of War more because of the greater challenge it offers, as well as the evolution in gaming that hardcore gamers tend to look for e.g. 2.5D or 3D gaming.

Basically if someone says they think Muramasa is better than God of War, it is not for the reasons of Muramasa being a better game, it's that it offers an experience more suited for that person, technically speaking.

Having played both, I can confirm Muramasa is much harder than God of War 3. Plus, they can't be compared really. Muramasa has tons of RPG elements and looks, at least to me, much prettier than God of War 3. It's a matter of opinion which game you prefer. That's what it all comes down to in the end.



Mazty said:
Kenryoku_Maxis said:

Mazty said:

Oh christ you didn't just do that....-.-

Galaxy is a platformer. It does what it sets out to do well by having relatively good visuals for the console, whilst having numerous varitation in levels, and a difficulty curve which is accessible and yet hard to master, which will ensure lengthy gameplay for those wanting to master it. Are you really going to say variation in a platformer is bad? Or making a difficulty curve which is accessible is bad?

Muramasa is offering a very different experience to God of War, but the hardcore gamer will appreciate God of War more because of the greater challenge it offers, as well as the evolution in gaming that hardcore gamers tend to look for e.g. 2.5D or 3D gaming.

Basically if someone says they think Muramasa is better than God of War, it is not for the reasons of Muramasa being a better game, it's that it offers an experience more suited for that person, technically speaking.

 

You brought it upon yourself.  And I find it hilarious that you continue to come up with new ways to argue when you repeated my entire post with your last sentence.  Can't you even see how you're contradicting yourself?  If Muramasa offers an 'experience more suited for someone', then that means they think its a better game than God of War.  No amount of arguing about 'AI' and 'Graphics' is going to make them think God of War 3 is a better game when they personally enjoyed Muramasa more.

Let me show you an example:

Which is the better film, Kick Ass or The Last King of Scotland?
Which did you enjoy more?

Now apply this to gaming. Making sense yet?

If I had seen either movie, perhaps I could even begin to understand your obscure analogy.  But all you're doing is making yourself seem more elitist and anyone who doesn't agree with your opinions (or understand your logic flow) is wrong.

Perhaps you should take a clue from the multiple people who have been trying to tell you the same thing in this thread.  Its now about how big budget or 'powerful' or 'technically superior' a game is.  Its about how much fun and enjoyment they had with it.  And as multiple people in this thread have already told you, they had more fun, and as a result liked, Muramasa more than God of War 3.



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Kenryoku_Maxis said:
Mazty said:

Let me show you an example:

Which is the better film, Kick Ass or The Last King of Scotland?
Which did you enjoy more?

Now apply this to gaming. Making sense yet?

If I had seen either movie, perhaps I could even begin to understand your obscure analogy.  But all you're doing is making yourself seem more elitist and anyone who doesn't agree with your opinions (or understand your logic flow) is wrong.

Obscure analogy? Other than one of the films is very recent and very popular, and another is oscar winning? Uhuh.....Think you need to pop your head out of the metaphorical basement.
I'll put the example another way. Which is better:
A childs finger painting of his family
            or
The Mona Lisa

Now the kid and his parent are going to enjoy the former more than the latter. Does that make it the better piece of work?

What I'm saying is that look at what makes a game good. Just because someone says it's fun doesn't mean it is good. Golden Eye WAS fun, but compared to all the other FPS' out there, it's jizz. The same has been said about Perfect Dark on XBL, that it's only really meant for nostalgia.

If you like hardcore titles, the wii is certianly not made for you. Out of the hardcore genres, either the 360 or PS3 have the leading titles. The wii is a party machine and offers a much more simplified gaming experience. Something like Murasma is outdone by other slash 'em up games like Bayonetta etc. The latter is far harder, and therefore longer lifespan/more interesting, to anyone who has a back history of playing games, as in a hardcore/seasoned gamer.