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Mazty on 10 May 2010
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The Ghost of RubangB said:
Mazty said:

Let's just take a step backward for a moment.

Games can be judged in several ways, the most prominant two ways are what is fun and technical merit. On the latter point, the Wii will fall down to the HD consoles almost every time. Does this really mean anything? Surely a game can look retro and still be enjoyable? Sure, but there are a few vital things that specs handle, such as graphics & AI. Graphics can help a game be more immersive, and AI makes a game a challenge. Without immersion or a challenge, the game is pretty pointless.

Muramasa does not appeal to the same crowd as God Of War or Dante's Inferno - it's 2D for crying out loud.It may be a great game ON THE WII, but you have to compare it to everything else on the market to value it's worth. If you are after a hack n'slash, there are games out there that will provide more of a challenge, good graphics, better AI and so on. If you are after a less hardcore experience, I'm sure Muramasa fills the spot, but from the sounds of the OP, it seems like his buddy is wondering if there are hardcore games on the wii, and in short, there are very, very few, and all are almost entirely out done by their HD console counterparts.

Hey you can't knock a game just for being 2-D.  You can't honestly believe all 3-D Sonic games are better than all 2-D Sonic games.

And the Wii actually leads in several genres other than platforming.  In fact, the Wii leads in the majority of genres.  You just don't like any of those genres.  The Wii has the best IR games, motion games, balance games, party games, exercise games, tilting games, puzzle games, drinking games, and singing games, and if Natal and Move have anything to do with it, those genres are about to explode on the PS3 and 360 as well.  But the Wii also has the best 2-D platformers, 3-D platformers, ultra-violent blood-tastic games like Manhunt 2, MadWorld, and No More Heroes 2, and the most sexually ambiguous comedy games like Muscle March and Captain Rainbow.  It absolutely has something for everybody.  It also has the most classic games, the most retro revivals (Blaster Master, Punch-Out!!, Excite Bike, Dr. Mario, Bomberman, Tetris, Contra, Castlevania, Gradius, etc.), and the most games for girls.  Girls are half the planet.

Not everybody likes God of War anyway.  Personally, I don't really like the controls in most third-person hack-and-slash games, I think Kratos is too boring and emo, and I despise QTEs.  I preferred the controls and characters of Muramasa, and I think it had some of the most beautiful artwork I've ever seen in a video game.

If Soul Caliber & Shattered Horizon taught us anything, it's that playing on a 3D plane is far harder than 2D, and difficulty is a challenge, which means entertainment and life span as someone is going to be more entertained by something which isn't a walk in the park.

Buddy, you just made up a whole bunch of genres there, so well done.
The wii does not lead in the majority of genres as you have literally made a bunch up. It does not lead in RTS', beat'em ups, FPS', RPG's, MMO's, third person adventure, third person action, arcade racing, simulation racing and so on. Those are all real genres.

Genres you have just made up include IR games, balance games, titling games and drinking games (clearly you've no idea what a drinking game is if you think it's on a console). What the wii does is it provides rail shooters, fitness games and party games with motion control. Plus what puzzle games does it lead with? Also a motion game isn't a genre, that's the controller interface.How many games are refered to as a keyboard and mouse game or a pad game?

The wii has the best ultra violent games? Clearly you've never played any game outside of the wii's library as Gears of War is far more violent and brutal then anything on the wii. Mad World is cell shaded B&W, that's hardly brutal & Manhunt 2 is multiplatform....
And no, it does not have the most 'classic games' - both 360 and PS3 have a back catalogue of games they can play, and nostalgia is hardly a good reason to buy a console as nostalgia does not mean the games are inherently good, just you have fond memories of said games. 

I never said everyone likes God of War, but would it be possible to talk to someone who has actually played on all three consoles then trying to argue about games they've never played? Kratos is emo? Clearly you've never played God of War 3, or have no idea what the word emo means (try PoP:Warrior Within).