Galaxy is a platformer, which I didn't mention as a genre, but it's a really good platfomer though essentially not what the O's mate was asking for. Muramasa vs God of War 3, or heck, even Dante's Inferno, it looses hands down. That's the thing, the wii really doesn't lead any gaming genre other than platforming with Mario Galaxy, hence if you are into FPS' and action games, it's not the right console for you.

Why does one game have to be 'better' than another?  Muramasa can still be just as good of a game as God of War 3.  I'm sure some people like it more than God of War 3.  There's no stone slab out there that says God of War 3 is better than all the Wii action games out there.  And if all there is to support that claim is things like 'presentation' and 'graphics', it only supports that point further.  One systems AAA game doesn't make another systems game automatically inferior.  Its just like all those people trying to say FFXIII is automatically the end all of JRPGs this gen just because its the most hyped and seemingly the most 'AAA'.  Its not.

Long story short, Muramasa is still one of the best gamesa on the Wii and a fantastic game.  And one he might enjoy if he played it.

Raises hand*

I found GOW3 to be too needlessely violent and too....immature really. I felt like the developers were specifically appealing to kids who find gore and stuff to be the coolest thing ever.

Let's just take a step backward for a moment.

Games can be judged in several ways, the most prominant two ways are what is fun and technical merit. On the latter point, the Wii will fall down to the HD consoles almost every time. Does this really mean anything? Surely a game can look retro and still be enjoyable? Sure, but there are a few vital things that specs handle, such as graphics & AI. Graphics can help a game be more immersive, and AI makes a game a challenge. Without immersion or a challenge, the game is pretty pointless.

Muramasa does not appeal to the same crowd as God Of War or Dante's Inferno - it's 2D for crying out loud.It may be a great game ON THE WII, but you have to compare it to everything else on the market to value it's worth. If you are after a hack n'slash, there are games out there that will provide more of a challenge, good graphics, better AI and so on. If you are after a less hardcore experience, I'm sure Muramasa fills the spot, but from the sounds of the OP, it seems like his buddy is wondering if there are hardcore games on the wii, and in short, there are very, very few, and all are almost entirely out done by their HD console counterparts.

You are making the mistake of thinking that your OPINION is FACT. Others are entitled to have their own opinion you know?

Yeah I don't get this idea that a game has to be the best among it's genre in order to be worth playing.

Also comparing Muramasa to God of War III is like apples and oranges. They are two very different beasts. And it's completely unfair when those partial to Sony casually brush off Muramasa as some crappy 2D version of God of War. I bet if Vanillaware released Muramasa on PS3 just like they released Odin Sphere on PS2, the Sony sympathizers would have a very different tune.

I found Muramasa to be quite enjoyable personally. It is flashy, offers more depth than I thought would be possible for a Wiimote + Nunchuk game (you can play with a Gamecube or Classic Controller if you want though. But aside from the analog stick giving me some trouble during boss fights, the WM + Nunchuk ain't bad. I haven't felt a need to get out my CC Pro yet playing on Shura difficulty). And the game offers a good challenge without being punishing on the player or comprising the game's accessibility. I'm about 13 or so hours in. Beat Momohime's route (apparently there are extra endings but haven't had those yet) and I'm almost halfway through Kisuke's playthrough. I really enjoyed Muramasa thus far. One of the numerous reasons I got a Wii.

And what did I present as fact that is opinion? Are you really saying that you don't have to compare a game to other in it's genre to define it's worth? What logic you using if thats the case? FACT is the AI in games like God of War is better than on the Wii, and graphics are better than anything on the wii as they are technical components. FACT is Nintendo also stated the Wii isn't a hardcore gaming console, something I'm saying, but I am NOT saying the wii is bad, it just offers a different gaming experience to that of the PS3 and 360. If you really want to argue the latter, be my guest, but I cannot see how you logically could.

Back what you are saying, otherwise you're just trolling.

See underlined below.

And in my opinion, a lot of what you say passes off as trying to state your opinion as fact.

Oh christ you didn't just do that....-.-

Galaxy is a platformer. It does what it sets out to do well by having relatively good visuals for the console, whilst having numerous varitation in levels, and a difficulty curve which is accessible and yet hard to master, which will ensure lengthy gameplay for those wanting to master it. Are you really going to say variation in a platformer is bad? Or making a difficulty curve which is accessible is bad?

Muramasa is offering a very different experience to God of War, but the hardcore gamer will appreciate God of War more because of the greater challenge it offers, as well as the evolution in gaming that hardcore gamers tend to look for e.g. 2.5D or 3D gaming.

Basically if someone says they think Muramasa is better than God of War, it is not for the reasons of Muramasa being a better game, it's that it offers an experience more suited for that person, technically speaking.

Hey you can't knock a game just for being 2-D.  You can't honestly believe all 3-D Sonic games are better than all 2-D Sonic games.

And the Wii actually leads in several genres other than platforming.  In fact, the Wii leads in the majority of genres.  You just don't like any of those genres.  The Wii has the best IR games, motion games, balance games, party games, exercise games, tilting games, puzzle games, drinking games, and singing games, and if Natal and Move have anything to do with it, those genres are about to explode on the PS3 and 360 as well.  But the Wii also has the best 2-D platformers, 3-D platformers, ultra-violent blood-tastic games like Manhunt 2, MadWorld, and No More Heroes 2, and the most sexually ambiguous comedy games like Muscle March and Captain Rainbow.  It absolutely has something for everybody.  It also has the most classic games, the most retro revivals (Blaster Master, Punch-Out!!, Excite Bike, Dr. Mario, Bomberman, Tetris, Contra, Castlevania, Gradius, etc.), and the most games for girls.  Girls are half the planet.

Not everybody likes God of War anyway.  Personally, I don't really like the controls in most third-person hack-and-slash games, I think Kratos is too boring and emo, and I despise QTEs.  I preferred the controls and characters of Muramasa, and I think it had some of the most beautiful artwork I've ever seen in a video game.