You are saying better only in relation to sales. I don't have to say how fundamentally flawed that is when trying to logically analyse the actual worth of a game.

So you are saying wii games have the same budget as say something like MW2? I'm pretty sure the budget gap there is in the millions, no?

Uncharted 2 is more traditional? In the way that a game like it has never been seen before.....Uhuh, doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

Does Sony make a hand held gaming orientated device? Yes.
Nintendo? Yes.
Apple. NO it makes a F**KING PHONE AND MUSIC PLAYER. Those are not gaming orientated unlike the PSP or DS which are gaming first, anything else second. The iPHONE is guess what? A phone. The iPod is made for music, not for gaming. The iPad is a tablet PC not a tablet gaming orientated machine. There is no logic at all in Nintendo seeing Apple as a rival.

I agree that the DS has demolished the PSP. And I question why Sony thinks they can continue in this space without .

I think the biggest issue Nintendo needs to address is connectivity and quality of the Nintendo network.

Wii has connectivity, but marketing of it is brutal (I didn't even know my Wii had WiFi for the first year). And the building and marketing of games that can be played on the Wii network is almost non-existent... Nintendo needs to establish itself in this space much more in the eyes of non-Nintendo gamers.

That's what makes the iPhone attractive, you have connectivity, gaming, mp3 player, phone, and camera in one device. The value is massive and justifies its cost. DS has to justify its value and start encroaching on the phone and cellular connectivity space as well.

Sure, Wii's got a hell of alot of shovelware, but that comes with the territory of being market leader. PS1, SNES, PS2 all had heaps of it as well. But again I don't get the disqaulifying of titles. That's like saying how many titles sell on (fill in the blank) that aren't FPS, TPS or sports games? Its a pointless thing to do, imo.

Sales are an objective measure.  How else would one measure the objective "worth of a game"?  

I said pricepoint gap, not budget gap.  Wii games cost $10 less than PS360 games.  A Wii costs the same price as a 360, $100 less than a PS3.  A Micra costs $135,000+ less than a Bentley (for the cheapest model, it can be upwards of $400,000 in difference if you're comparing midline).  You seem to enjoy using the term "rediculous" (ie: ridiculous I'm guessing), I'd say nowhere in this thread is that a more appropriate description than this reaching and illogical analogy you keep pushing.

Reread what I wrote.  Slowly.  I said Wii Play is more traditional.  Christ.

edit: "It" refers to Wii Play.  Sorry I should have made that clearer

Also...

nintendo is fine. new wii in 2014.

Sales mean nothing about something being better. Sales just mean something has been successfully sold, that is it. If you want something better to look at, but far from perfect, metacritic is a better idea.

Oh so the selling point of the wii and PS3 has nothing to do with the games? Fail. Why do you keep mentioning Wii play? I know it's more traditional, so what...?

You really trying to say the iPod is being sold as a gaming device. **** off trolll, **** off.
Read the advert - music, movies, games.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Apple-touch-Latest-version-Launched/dp/tech-data/B002MRRRP0/ref=de_a_smtd
Nowhere advertises it primarily as a game device, it just has the capacity to play them. Like how many places advertise a PSP on the main point that it plays UMD or music and not games?

Quit delving into the realms of stupidty kid.

Hey folks, I posted this as news, and a couple of you got pretty angry about that. Can anybody provide a link saying that this story is bogus? Or do you just feel it in your bones? I can't just accuse the Times Online of lying or exaggerating, but if anybody can provide a valid reason to doubt this story, I will gladly update the article with that reason. I looked around and so far I've seen this story at Kotaku, Destructoid, Huffington Post, Gizmodo, Apple Insider, Tech Trader, Fox News, and VG247, and nobody's updated it with any new information. Has anything new about this story come to light?

We do take the news very seriously here at VGChartz. And there's always a chance that Iwata will come out in a few days and say he was misquoted. He did that a few months ago when Asahi Shimbun claimed that he said the next DS will have motion sensing. If something like that happens I'll definitely update the article immediately.

The Battle might have been Won, the War Is Far From Over....

As I said previously, metacritic is lopsidedly weighted towards an increasingly threatened/vitriolic industry press, and as such doesn't actually reflect the core values of the majority of games players today.  What would better reflect the mainstream's values would be, well, what they actually decided to spend their money on.  Or what they could be seen to have considered "better".  Actually, even amazon reviews (or some other consumer level review outlet) would be a better reflection than metacritic.

So what?  You said part of the reason for games like Wii Play selling so well is them being innovative.  My argument is that they're not really innovative, they're actually very traditional, and this back-to-basics design sensibility is core in to their appeal and success.  Wii Sports or Wii Play are about as purely "gamey" as it gets.

iPod Touch is very much sold as gaming device, it's one of it's core appeals and now one of it's promotional pillars. Apple's fallen into it almost by accident, but now they're capitalizing on that.  iPhone OS now makes more revenue from handheld games than PlayStation does.  To compare, Microsoft didn't make game consoles when they started considering Sony's PlayStation a threat to their Wintel empire and greenlit the Xbox project.  They saw Sony as future competition, much like Nintendo now sees Apple as future competition, despite both future competitors being well diversified versus themselves.

Also, reported. <3

Just Dance EA Sports Active My Fitness Coach The Biggest Loser Game Party 3 NERF: N-Strike Elite Gold's Gym: Cardio Workout Hasbro Family Game Night Your Shape featuring Jenny McCarthy Walk it Out! EA Sports Active: More Workouts Hasbro Family Game Night 2 Game Party 2 All from the wii top 50 and there is more, I dont think the PlayStation or PS2 ever had that amount dross in thier top 50 at any one time let alone all the  time.

Let me put this anouther way, the highest rated game by meta that is not a mario, fit, play or sport title is Zelda, twilight princes. Units sold to 70+ million wii owners 5.52 million. This is the second highest rated game on the wii... The second highest exclusive on the PS3 is little big planet, 3.36 million units to 30+ million users. PS3 games sell for more. There is a greater return for devs on the PS360 if they want to create new games, not exercise videos.