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jarrod on 10 May 2010
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Mazty said:
jarrod said:

Sales are an objective measure.  How else would one measure the objective "worth of a game"?  

I said pricepoint gap, not budget gap.  Wii games cost $10 less than PS360 games.  A Wii costs the same price as a 360, $100 less than a PS3.  A Micra costs $135,000+ less than a Bentley (for the cheapest model, it can be upwards of $400,000 in difference if you're comparing midline).  You seem to enjoy using the term "rediculous" (ie: ridiculous I'm guessing), I'd say nowhere in this thread is that a more appropriate description than this reaching and illogical analogy you keep pushing.

Reread what I wrote.  Slowly.  I said Wii Play is more traditional.  Christ.

edit: "It" refers to Wii Play.  Sorry I should have made that clearer

 

Also...

Sales mean nothing about something being better. Sales just mean something has been successfully sold, that is it. If you want something better to look at, but far from perfect, metacritic is a better idea.

Oh so the selling point of the wii and PS3 has nothing to do with the games? Fail. Why do you keep mentioning Wii play? I know it's more traditional, so what...?

You really trying to say the iPod is being sold as a gaming device. **** off trolll, **** off.
Read the advert - music, movies, games.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Apple-touch-Latest-version-Launched/dp/tech-data/B002MRRRP0/ref=de_a_smtd
Nowhere advertises it primarily as a game device, it just has the capacity to play them. Like how many places advertise a PSP on the main point that it plays UMD or music and not games?

Quit delving into the realms of stupidty kid.

As I said previously, metacritic is lopsidedly weighted towards an increasingly threatened/vitriolic industry press, and as such doesn't actually reflect the core values of the majority of games players today.  What would better reflect the mainstream's values would be, well, what they actually decided to spend their money on.  Or what they could be seen to have considered "better".  Actually, even amazon reviews (or some other consumer level review outlet) would be a better reflection than metacritic.

So what?  You said part of the reason for games like Wii Play selling so well is them being innovative.  My argument is that they're not really innovative, they're actually very traditional, and this back-to-basics design sensibility is core in to their appeal and success.  Wii Sports or Wii Play are about as purely "gamey" as it gets.

iPod Touch is very much sold as gaming device, it's one of it's core appeals and now one of it's promotional pillars. Apple's fallen into it almost by accident, but now they're capitalizing on that.  iPhone OS now makes more revenue from handheld games than PlayStation does.  To compare, Microsoft didn't make game consoles when they started considering Sony's PlayStation a threat to their Wintel empire and greenlit the Xbox project.  They saw Sony as future competition, much like Nintendo now sees Apple as future competition, despite both future competitors being well diversified versus themselves.

Also, reported. <3