There was a projection on the BBC. The result if the 2010 election was repeated under AV would be (approx): Labour 260, Conservative 280, Liberal 80. As opposed to approx Labour 250, Conservative 300, Liberal 50 now.

Yes, the Liberals' position would be improved numerically more, but look how close Labour is - and it's that margin that really determines who forms the goverment. And that's in the most Conservative leaning election since 1992 or perhaps earlier. If the two had equal vote share it would be a massive Labour majority. If it was a Labour leaning election they would have an insurmountable lead. The Conservatives would need a 10% lead in the popular vote to even form a government. Labour would only need parity or perhaps less. That's not fair.

The reason is this. The most common kind of marginal is LAB and CON in first or second then LDEM in third. You're right, most LDEM would put LAB as their second choice. So when LDEM is elminated in most contests, thoe votes are given to LAB - and they win almost every seat of this kind, because LAB+LDEM almost always > CON by a large margin.

which is why I (and the Lib Dems) support STV instead

Just can't see HH as leader of Labour but I can see a new golden age for the UK if Mandy becomes leader.

A new golden age, I tells ya.

Although on the subject of everything there was weird talk in my office and at home which concerns me as more and more people seem to be less for a 'united' United Kingdom. The election was supposed to be who governs the UK from all parts of it but when people in my office were talking about a Labour/Lib-Dem government they also mentioned the SNP (as Labour and Libdem aren't enough on their own) and moaned about Scottish having power in the parliament, this confused me to no ends as it's a UK parliament not English. I seem to be the only person around me that likes the UK in it's united for, I like the countries around me and don't care if we had a welsh, northern Irish or another Scottish PM, they are still British. SNP would still have say so on laws that affect Scotland as well as the other nations of the UK.

News just in:

Labour are offering a deal to the Queen for an absolute monarchy in exchange for senior posts in her Court.

*Update
The Queen has declined. Labour are now offering a deal to President Obama about becoming the 51st state in exchange for senoir posts in the Executive.

**Update
President Obama declined. Labour are seeking a deal with President Ahmadinejad of Iran. They'll give Iran nukes in exchange for seats on the Revolutionary Council.

thats kind of the point....what is it 4/5 out of 307 seats for the conservative were outside of england or something

the scots vote snp for themselves and labour for britain,conservative is seen as the english party by wales and scotland,

for me the time of 4 countries pretending to be one is coming to an end,but this is just my view,

i can't understand why the conservatives would vote for something that weakens them and england,i hope they don't

the more PR you have,the wider the cracks in the Uk union,i think

John Soper that political BBC man,has just declared himself a Spurs man,lol

But Conservative didn't do badly in Scotland, not in a way that makes it seem like they have no power there or are 'English'. They only got 1 seat but it's 1 none the less. They came in 2nd in a lot of the constituencies above Labour and SNP and even if you voted for Conversative in Scotland and they didn't win in your area, you might feel having them is power is still what you wanted, whether or not your representative in Parliament is Labour.

It's the same effect that Lib Dems have across the country, they might have got a 1/4 of all votes cast but that doesn't mean they have 1/4 parliamentary seats.

scotland

labour got 1,035,528 votes and 41 seats
libdem got 465,471 votes and 11 seats
snp got 491,386 votes and 6 seats
consevative got 412,855 and 1 seat

not sure labour would fancy PR up there,you're right they didn't too badly on votes,it will be interesting to see a referendum on PR and how people feel about it

PR could be a disaster for labour,because scots and welsh might feel better voting SNP/PC as they will get represented more

laboour finally finished by the looks of things,

i agree with labour people like kate hoey,blunkett,john reid who say no to lab/lib as unworkable and they also say who do people like mandelson/campbell and adonis think they are in deciding things