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radiantshadow92 said:
Rath said:

Reviews are subjective, they are allowed any opinion they want. The score however must be properly justified in the review. The overall score is nearly meaningless without reading the review, you only get information on how much they liked the overall game without the reasons why they liked or didn't like it.

Also as for your last part, no I'd just expect a very good justification for it. FFXIII was undeniably a flawed game in some respects, obviously those flaws really pissed the Edge reviewer off and he attacked them. If somebody found similar flaws in SMG (say the voice acting and the plot) and attacked them then good for them - I wouldn't agree but I would be able to tell that those things wouldn't worry me by reading the review.

The score is not meaningless without the review. It DOES tell you if the reviewer liked the game, with less detail. I am not saying the score is all that matters, but it is important either way. Even if FFXIII had flaws and pissed of the reviewer, it is ridiculous to give a game a 5 over it. They need to realize that it affects the games sales, and what the dev team put into it. a five just because the game pisses you off is ridiculous. I do not even like FF games and i have to say it is just fish paste. I agree with the SMG2 review, but either way, they're scale of reviewing is just bogus imo. Let's just leave it at that, because it is just my opinion.

You really miss the point of reviews. The reviewer should not give two shits about how much effort or money or love was put into the game. They shouldn't care how big a name the game is. They shouldn't care about the effect they have on sales. It's entirely about their personal subjective experience with the game, if the reviewer thought it was worth a five then it should get a five. It should be an entirely personal opinion based on how enjoyable they personally find the experience.

Of course thats in an ideal world, in reality a name like 'Grand Theft Auto' or 'Mario' is going to give the reviewer some bias before he starts reviewing.



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Rath said:
radiantshadow92 said:
Rath said:
 

Reviews are subjective, they are allowed any opinion they want. The score however must be properly justified in the review. The overall score is nearly meaningless without reading the review, you only get information on how much they liked the overall game without the reasons why they liked or didn't like it.

Also as for your last part, no I'd just expect a very good justification for it. FFXIII was undeniably a flawed game in some respects, obviously those flaws really pissed the Edge reviewer off and he attacked them. If somebody found similar flaws in SMG (say the voice acting and the plot) and attacked them then good for them - I wouldn't agree but I would be able to tell that those things wouldn't worry me by reading the review.

The score is not meaningless without the review. It DOES tell you if the reviewer liked the game, with less detail. I am not saying the score is all that matters, but it is important either way. Even if FFXIII had flaws and pissed of the reviewer, it is ridiculous to give a game a 5 over it. They need to realize that it affects the games sales, and what the dev team put into it. a five just because the game pisses you off is ridiculous. I do not even like FF games and i have to say it is just fish paste. I agree with the SMG2 review, but either way, they're scale of reviewing is just bogus imo. Let's just leave it at that, because it is just my opinion.

You really miss the point of reviews. The reviewer should not give two shits about how much effort or money or love was put into the game. They shouldn't care how big a name the game is. They shouldn't care about the effect they have on sales. It's entirely about their personal subjective experience with the game, if the reviewer thought it was worth a five then it should get a five. It should be an entirely personal opinion based on how enjoyable they personally find the experience.

Of course thats in an ideal world, in reality a name like 'Grand Theft Auto' or 'Mario' is going to give the reviewer some bias before he starts reviewing.

I do not miss the point of reviews, reviewing myself, i know that the most important thing is what i thought of the game. But either way, the score does affect the games success, and it sounds like who ever reviewed the game simply had that bias against the FF franchise. I mean there is no way around it, there will ALWAYS be bias. But the thing is, that if there is no way to back up that 5, then it means crap. And there is just no way to justify those scores. That's why there are other editors that read and make sure the scores are not bogus. But the scores are still fish paste imo.



The only dumb thing I have ever seen edge do is name Halo 3 most innovative game of 2007,2008 over the likes of SMG and Portal which was an absolute joke, but hey, no one is perfect.



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radiantshadow92 said:
Khuutra said:
radiantshadow92 said:
Khuutra said:

Do not judge a review on its score, but by its content. If you judge reviews based on their scores, you're basically ranking video games according to their title screens and ignoring everything else about them.

What reviewers need to realize is that they are the gaming media. The score is just as important as the written review. The score affects how the readers look at the game, and their scores are bogus most of the time. I am not ranking video games according to score, rather saying that the score is a part of the review and should be just as good. 

Scores are nont anywhere close to as important as the content of a review, that notion does not make sense.

And their scores are not bogus: they are internally consistent, consistent in method, and consistent in their criteria. They're among the best in the industry, regardless of whether or not I agree with them on a given score.

Score is not as important as content. Score is not as important as content. Score is not as important as content.

Whether you like it or not, the score is still a part of the review. So, they are not consistent at all. They gave WKC and Final Fantasy 13 a review score of 5. That makes absolutely no sense. WKC had choppy graphics, and terrible dialog. Final Fantasy 13 should of been ahead of WKC with graphics alone. I could bring way more examples, i see nothing but inconsistency. 

 

Score is a part of the content. Score is a part of the content. Score is a part of the content. 

 

 

Edge's review scores are different from how you know them from other outlets, for Edge 5/10 is average not 7/10 as it's a perfect balance in the middle of a scale of 10 (equal number of ratings for good and bad), this is why you see a lot of 7/10s and 8/10s in Edge as that's what they class as a good/great game, tripple As normally come in at 8s/9s while those that innovate to a point of being impressive with little to no flaws come in at 10. FFXIII had points docked because it was linear and had very little else to do in the whole package.



SMG1 got 10/10 from EDGE and now the sequel gets the same score, now this I like, I bet this game will be getting many more full marks. Can't wait till 11th June.



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Wyrdness said:
radiantshadow92 said:
Khuutra said:
radiantshadow92 said:
Khuutra said:

Do not judge a review on its score, but by its content. If you judge reviews based on their scores, you're basically ranking video games according to their title screens and ignoring everything else about them.

What reviewers need to realize is that they are the gaming media. The score is just as important as the written review. The score affects how the readers look at the game, and their scores are bogus most of the time. I am not ranking video games according to score, rather saying that the score is a part of the review and should be just as good. 

Scores are nont anywhere close to as important as the content of a review, that notion does not make sense.

And their scores are not bogus: they are internally consistent, consistent in method, and consistent in their criteria. They're among the best in the industry, regardless of whether or not I agree with them on a given score.

Score is not as important as content. Score is not as important as content. Score is not as important as content.

Whether you like it or not, the score is still a part of the review. So, they are not consistent at all. They gave WKC and Final Fantasy 13 a review score of 5. That makes absolutely no sense. WKC had choppy graphics, and terrible dialog. Final Fantasy 13 should of been ahead of WKC with graphics alone. I could bring way more examples, i see nothing but inconsistency. 

 

Score is a part of the content. Score is a part of the content. Score is a part of the content. 

 

 

Edge's review scores are different from how you know them from other outlets, for Edge 5/10 is average not 7/10 as it's a perfect balance in the middle of a scale of 10 (equal number of ratings for good and bad), this is why you see a lot of 7/10s and 8/10s in Edge as that's what they class as a good/great game, tripple As normally come in at 8s/9s while those that innovate to a point of being impressive with little to no flaws come in at 10. FFXIII had points docked because it was linear and had very little else to do in the whole package.

first of all, that is a ridiculous scale. They should have gone with the 5 star scale. In the 10 scale, good games range in the 7-10. Second off, if the scale is like this, then why did it get the same score as WKC....It makes no sense. 



well, the first one is sitting at 97 right now, nothing shocking really.



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radiantshadow92 said:

first of all, that is a ridiculous scale. They should have gone with the 5 star scale. In the 10 scale, good games range in the 7-10. Second off, if the scale is like this, then why did it get the same score as WKC....It makes no sense. 

You're basing your entire argument off of the fact that you don't think FFXIII is equal to WKC. This may be true to you, but perhaps FFXIII really jarred with a reviewer while another (or the same - I'm not sure if they were written by the same person) reviewer found WKC to be, while flawed, quite charming. While the general consensus may be that one is better than the other it does not mean that every magazine has to agree with that consensus.

I really enjoy that Edge seems to have no concern with following the metacritic score on every game, it seems to me that some other reviewers do.



radiantshadow92 said:
Khuutra said:

Scores are nont anywhere close to as important as the content of a review, that notion does not make sense.

And their scores are not bogus: they are internally consistent, consistent in method, and consistent in their criteria. They're among the best in the industry, regardless of whether or not I agree with them on a given score.

Score is not as important as content. Score is not as important as content. Score is not as important as content.

Whether you like it or not, the score is still a part of the review. So, they are not consistent at all. They gave WKC and Final Fantasy 13 a review score of 5. That makes absolutely no sense. WKC had choppy graphics, and terrible dialog. Final Fantasy 13 should of been ahead of WKC with graphics alone. I could bring way more examples, i see nothing but inconsistency. 

 

Score is a part of the content. Score is a part of the content. Score is a part of the content. 

You are confusing "inconsistency" with scores you don't agree with. Rating WKC and FF13 on the same level is not inconsistent, it just means that two reviwers enjoyed the games abot the same amoun t.

Again. You are not outlining inconsistency. "Inconsistent" doesn't mean "scores you don't agree with". In order to outline any kind of inconsistency, you would need to set down standards according to which they operate and then show how those standards have been violated. You failed to do so, therefore you failed to illustrate inconsistency.

You said "score is as important as content". If score is a part of content, then score must necessarily be subservient to content because it cannot be equal to the hwole of which it is only a part.



It's fine to complain when EDGE gives out a completely retarded score but it looks like they got it right this time. So why mad?

*goes to play first Galaxy*