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greenmedic88 on 02 May 2010
Holesome said:
Just another point that may have already been mentioned in other postings...

Some games purchased on PSN must be played online due to DRM even though they are single player. Choosing to not update the firmware so that LINUX still functions means that those games that must be played online will no longer work. Also, re-downloading games and content that was previously purchased from PSN will also not be possible anymore.

PSN games with online DRM (of which there is currently only one) weren't introduced until after the 3.21 update to my knowledge, meaning you won't find any PS3s with 3.15 firmware that can't play the PSN games previously installed on them.

I still have a PS3 that hasn't been updated. I've yet to find any new games that require a firmware update installed via game disk (still waiting) and none of the 30 or so PSN games already installed on the console have yet to magically cease working.

At this point, I'm keeping that one console isolated and update free if for nothing more than to prove whether or not the Linux removing firmware is "forced" or required in any way shape or form to play games or access content not linked directly to PSN.

So far, the answer is a resounding "no."

 

Naturally, since the console can no longer log onto PSN, it can't download any new purchases, do PSN game reinstalls, etc., as these are all linked directly to PSN, but that's irrelevant as the choice with this console is "old firmware/Linux option" vs. "PSN use."



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Holesome on 02 May 2010

Capcom: “The DRM requirements for Final Fight: Double Impact are not unique to this release. This protection mechanism has been implemented in numerous games offered on the PlayStation Store before..."

What other games are using such DRM and when were they released? What about changing authorizing or deauthorizing PS3's from the 5 you are allowed? Will this be a problem if the firmware is not updated? Any other situations where logging in to PSN is required to allow purchased content to work?



Icyedge on 02 May 2010
ils411 said:
Icyedge said:
Kasz216 said:
Icyedge said:
Kasz216 said:
Icyedge said:
Kasz216 said:
Icyedge said:
 

 

Are you sure they already haven't?  Afterall, this is mentioned in the actual lawsuit.

 

Well PSN games cannot be played anymore since they require PSN. Those games already have multiple clause to protect them in case they need to restrict players or close servers. No normal PS3 games at the moment restrict people in removing Linux.

Once again... are you sure?  I haven't found a single website that lists what firmwares are on what games.

Yes im 100% sure theres no report of people having to remove Linux in order to play game that doest require a separate agreement and service. All Im saying is lets wait first, and if it does happen it will still be time to sue.  The fact you would have lost the ability to play PS3 games that doesnt require a separate agreement on your default PS3 would be against laws of most countries.

The lawsuit saying this is the case doesn't count?

????? If its not true sure it doesnt count lol.

how about we ask people who just bought the latest and newest games and see if its got the latest firmware update? so what games just released? super street fighter iv comes to mind. if it contains the latest firmware then hooray kaz boo icy, if it doesn't then hooray icy boo kaz

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

 

WTF!?!? Ill be glad if you can prove me wrong. If you know a game that force you to remove linux and have proof you could have posted it long ago. Anyway, to my knowing your still wrong. What are you basing your claim that street fighter requires update 3.21 for offline play on? Ill be happy to tell you im wrong if im really are. Im surprise by your attitude, you doesnt look THAT young on your avatar.



Icyedge on 02 May 2010
greenmedic88 said:
Holesome said:
Just another point that may have already been mentioned in other postings...

Some games purchased on PSN must be played online due to DRM even though they are single player. Choosing to not update the firmware so that LINUX still functions means that those games that must be played online will no longer work. Also, re-downloading games and content that was previously purchased from PSN will also not be possible anymore.

PSN games with online DRM (of which there is currently only one) weren't introduced until after the 3.21 update to my knowledge, meaning you won't find any PS3s with 3.15 firmware that can't play the PSN games previously installed on them.

I still have a PS3 that hasn't been updated. I've yet to find any new games that require a firmware update installed via game disk (still waiting) and none of the 30 or so PSN games already installed on the console have yet to magically cease working.

At this point, I'm keeping that one console isolated and update free if for nothing more than to prove whether or not the Linux removing firmware is "forced" or required in any way shape or form to play games or access content not linked directly to PSN.

So far, the answer is a resounding "no."

 

Naturally, since the console can no longer log onto PSN, it can't download any new purchases, do PSN game reinstalls, etc., as these are all linked directly to PSN, but that's irrelevant as the choice with this console is "old firmware/Linux option" vs. "PSN use."

 

Did you tried Super street fighter 4 on your PS3? I cant find any information supporting claim you need to remove Linux in order to play offline.



Hobson on 02 May 2010

Even if this is a hard case to win, I'd love to show my support for the lawsuit. Anyone want to leave me a comment on how I can get involved? I don't want to give up linux but I can't even download the stuff I bought on PSN like my favorite game Super Stardust HD



PSN: HobsonA

XBL: HobsonA

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Squall_Leonhart on 02 May 2010

Sony will win this case and come out laughing since all they need to say is that it is within the terms and conditions of the console (i.e. when you update) that they can add/remove features if they choose to do so!

Also since it was classed as a security risk this will also hold a lot of water in their defence!



thranx on 02 May 2010

reread the thread Squall. I think you missed the whole point. The point is that their ToS or parts of it at least, are null and void as you can not contract yourself out of the law.



greenmedic88 on 02 May 2010
Icyedge said:
greenmedic88 said:
Holesome said:
Just another point that may have already been mentioned in other postings...

Some games purchased on PSN must be played online due to DRM even though they are single player. Choosing to not update the firmware so that LINUX still functions means that those games that must be played online will no longer work. Also, re-downloading games and content that was previously purchased from PSN will also not be possible anymore.

PSN games with online DRM (of which there is currently only one) weren't introduced until after the 3.21 update to my knowledge, meaning you won't find any PS3s with 3.15 firmware that can't play the PSN games previously installed on them.

I still have a PS3 that hasn't been updated. I've yet to find any new games that require a firmware update installed via game disk (still waiting) and none of the 30 or so PSN games already installed on the console have yet to magically cease working.

At this point, I'm keeping that one console isolated and update free if for nothing more than to prove whether or not the Linux removing firmware is "forced" or required in any way shape or form to play games or access content not linked directly to PSN.

So far, the answer is a resounding "no."

 

Naturally, since the console can no longer log onto PSN, it can't download any new purchases, do PSN game reinstalls, etc., as these are all linked directly to PSN, but that's irrelevant as the choice with this console is "old firmware/Linux option" vs. "PSN use."

 

Did you tried Super street fighter 4 on your PS3? I cant find any information supporting claim you need to remove Linux in order to play offline.

While I'm more or less willing to take the word of anyone currently using 3.15 or older who claims to have unsuccessfully tried to play SSF4 without having to update firmware, I'll be able to confirm for myself later this week when my copy arrives. 

I'll be surprised if the game simply won't work without a firmware update. 



Icyedge on 02 May 2010
greenmedic88 said:
Icyedge said:

 

Did you tried Super street fighter 4 on your PS3? I cant find any information supporting claim you need to remove Linux in order to play offline.

While I'm more or less willing to take the word of anyone currently using 3.15 or older who claims to have unsuccessfully tried to play SSF4 without having to update firmware, I'll be able to confirm for myself later this week when my copy arrives. 

I'll be surprised if the game simply won't work without a firmware update. 

Ok tell me as soon as you find out please. If im wrong I will gladly admit it do the person I was discussing with. I cant image Sony whould be dumb enough to force this update on games that doesnt require PSN or new tech. If they are, then too bad for them. The PS3 would have just lost one of his primary purpose that doesnt require a separate agreement or service, this would be easily defendable. We are waiting for your confirmation next week, thanks!



DM235 on 02 May 2010
greenmedic88 said:
Holesome said:
Just another point that may have already been mentioned in other postings...

Some games purchased on PSN must be played online due to DRM even though they are single player. Choosing to not update the firmware so that LINUX still functions means that those games that must be played online will no longer work. Also, re-downloading games and content that was previously purchased from PSN will also not be possible anymore.

PSN games with online DRM (of which there is currently only one) weren't introduced until after the 3.21 update to my knowledge, meaning you won't find any PS3s with 3.15 firmware that can't play the PSN games previously installed on them.

I still have a PS3 that hasn't been updated. I've yet to find any new games that require a firmware update installed via game disk (still waiting) and none of the 30 or so PSN games already installed on the console have yet to magically cease working.

At this point, I'm keeping that one console isolated and update free if for nothing more than to prove whether or not the Linux removing firmware is "forced" or required in any way shape or form to play games or access content not linked directly to PSN.

So far, the answer is a resounding "no."

 

Naturally, since the console can no longer log onto PSN, it can't download any new purchases, do PSN game reinstalls, etc., as these are all linked directly to PSN, but that's irrelevant as the choice with this console is "old firmware/Linux option" vs. "PSN use."


WarHawk and MAG are online only games that are unplayable if you do not upgrade your firmware.

I've been using Linux on my PS3 for a few years now, and I find it silly that I cannot even go to the PSN store and buy more games unless I give up Linux (which I'm not willing to do just yet).