Do you mean that the Wii is last gen?

Keep dreaming.  At best, both Move and Natal will be seen as a toy.  Even moreso than the Wii was.  Frankly, the same people who would want Natal or Move would be those who would be interested in the Wii.  And that's why MS and Sony made the thing.  This notion that 'core' gamers are suddenly going to jump into the 'casual' scene just because MS and Sony are making motion control devices is as convoluted as thinking 'core' gamers would buy a Wii because games like 'The Conduit' and 'Madworld' were on it.

If 'core' gamers didn't want motion controls before, they sure wouldn't want to buy a controller with a big bright red orb and less games.

No...last gen tech with new gen peripherals. Thats all. All I am saying is that I've been waiting for current gen tech and next gen peripherals created for that level of equipement. Thats all I was really saying about next gen. Wrong choice of words I guess.

I'm hardcore and i don't see the Move or Natal as a Toy. Move is far more powerful than the Wii and far more intuitive. It can be used to create more in depth titles that core gamers can fall into much like they would using a traditional controller, except they are using their body. With Natal...they can use their whole body, but how it will work....only the future can tell. The move has already shown how it can set itself apart from the Wii and be seen as more mature. It will take more work to get a handle on the move than the Wii because now you will have to be more precise. Sony was never good with casuals, so I could care less, but Natal will definitely draw in more casuals not because of price, but because of the fact that there is no controller pad at all and you can have recognition of multiple people without a controller. 

Gens aren't determined by tech... there is no real way to judge that... its like saying SNES and Gen is the same gen but Sega CD is suddenly in the PS1 gen cause of the CD tech, or 3DO is in the PS1 gen cause it could do basic 3D gaming.

Honestly most of your statements on this subject seem rather backwards... like who are these "devs" that hardcore games will support the PS move? 

How do you define "mature" here and how does the Move possess more of this quality than the Wii Remote?

wow I can't beleive it yay, there is more candy goodness in the offical thread created by none other than myself:):)

Wow, after 4 years it should be better.
Seeing who this is coming from though, makes the comment..........useless.

The Move hasn't defined itself yet at all.  In fact, in all its demos, people have either considered it a joke or come away unimpressed.  Mostly because we only see a group of guys wiggling a big glow stick at a screen with beta tech demos.  In short, there's no solid games for it.  Its hard to 'define' a product when its still in development.

As for Natal, its being pumped with a Halo level of marketing, but its still going to have the same problem as Move.  Everything is going to depend on the games.  And do you really think, no matter how original people think the 'tech' is, that people will be as 'amazed' by it this time around like they were with the Wii?  And, more importantly, do you think it'll have some 'killer app' like WiiSports right out of the gate?  I don't think both of those are going to happen at the same time.  Plus, there's the problem that people will have to go out and BUY Natal as an extra accessory to their existing console, unlike with the Wii, it WAS the Console.  'Hardcore' people are quite fine shelling out 50-60 bucks for a game...but not so much 120 bucks for accessories to PLAY games.  That's more of a 'casual' trend on stuff like oh...Rock Band, WiiFit and DDR.

oh really this guy does not think ps move is a joke and he was so impressed he wanted to take it home, carry on being in denial tho

also he actually is moving the controller properly rather than waggling it as you suggested, that is so wiimote style (before wm+)