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Kasz216 on 24 April 2010
RageBot said:
@Kasz:

Pepole are aligning themselves with Zampella and the other guy because they are Chaotic Good, unlike the Lawful Evil Activision.

To me they look more chaotic nuetral.  Only out for themselves... people are just letting their distaste for Activision get in the way of looking at things without bias.

The same thing happened when EA tried to buy Take 2.  Everyone was against EA even though the prices they offered were more then fair... as take 2's stock collapse has shown.



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heruamon on 24 April 2010

I said it before this blood letting begun, IW is finish. They are losing all the top guys and leads, and they were jsut waiting for their last bonus paychecks and I'm sure nearly everybody is going to leave...When Bungie spun off from M$...we now see how well that was handles, in retrospect. The question is what will Activision do with MW...they don't jsut have a spare development team to do this work, so they would have to hire about 100 new people...ouch!



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shio on 24 April 2010

Another guy just left Infinity Ward. This time it was level designer Keith Bell. This increases the number of people that left IW to 21!



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scottie on 24 April 2010
Kasz216 said:
scottie said:
Kasz216 said:
NiKKoM said:

Kasz216 said:

They aren't even saying that in public. 

I mean... lets review the facts.

 

1) Something happens.

3) West and Zampella are fired.

4) West and Zampella sue  Activision.

5) Activision puts up a countersuit.

6) Senior members of the team leaves

7) West and Zampella open up a studio with EA.

8) Activision promises bonuses to people who stays

9) More people leave.

 


Edited... we know the actions and not the truth.. we will find out everything someday.. I'm not claiming that they are innocent/wrong on either side but we have to wait to find out who was doing wrong..

What I posted WAS the actions.

You just edited it to try and remove all the things that made them look bad.

Like singing a deal with the company they were accused of making a deal with.


That they signed a deal with the company they were accused of making a deal with is a fact.

 

that they signed a deal with EA after being fired from Activision is in no way a crime or breech of contract, because the act of firing the people breaks the contract

No, it was the negotations before that did that.   It's pretty obvious they were done based on just the amazing speed in which this was done.  If they really cared about "creative control" they would of just started up their own company.   You don't think the guys who made MW2 couldn't get a loan?

 

Yeah, because bankers generally know heaps about video games :P



Kasz216 on 25 April 2010
scottie said:
Kasz216 said:
scottie said:
Kasz216 said:
NiKKoM said:

Kasz216 said:

They aren't even saying that in public. 

I mean... lets review the facts.

 

1) Something happens.

3) West and Zampella are fired.

4) West and Zampella sue  Activision.

5) Activision puts up a countersuit.

6) Senior members of the team leaves

7) West and Zampella open up a studio with EA.

8) Activision promises bonuses to people who stays

9) More people leave.

 


Edited... we know the actions and not the truth.. we will find out everything someday.. I'm not claiming that they are innocent/wrong on either side but we have to wait to find out who was doing wrong..

What I posted WAS the actions.

You just edited it to try and remove all the things that made them look bad.

Like singing a deal with the company they were accused of making a deal with.


That they signed a deal with the company they were accused of making a deal with is a fact.

 

that they signed a deal with EA after being fired from Activision is in no way a crime or breech of contract, because the act of firing the people breaks the contract

No, it was the negotations before that did that.   It's pretty obvious they were done based on just the amazing speed in which this was done.  If they really cared about "creative control" they would of just started up their own company.   You don't think the guys who made MW2 couldn't get a loan?

 

Yeah, because bankers generally know heaps about video games :P

Now your REALLY stretching it to the absurd.  Bankers most definitly know Modern Warfare. Everybody knows modern warfare.

We made a brand worth 3 billion... yeah I think they'd get loans.



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scottie on 25 April 2010

I'm not quoting cos that reply was long enough :P

Your profile doesn't say how old you are, but imagine you're 40 years old (If you are 40, then this activity will be trivial) you have just been fired. You have two options

1) Take out a huge loan on a venture that may or may not ever see profit

2) Take the high paying salary based job that you are offered

Now, ideally an artist would take 2 any day, but that's not always an option. If your 40 year old self had some children to support, and you know that they would like to go to college, but can't afford it on their own. Would you then, perhaps sacrifice your artisitc integirty in order to provide for your children? I know I would



Aprisaiden on 25 April 2010

@Kasz216 - i fail to see how anyone but Activision could be at fault here and just look at how hard Activision is trying to force IW staff to stay... They have yet to pay out the royalties owed for the sales of MW2 and currently owe past and present employees for the past quarters...



Stefan.De.Machtige on 25 April 2010

Wauw. The mood at IW of last year must have been pretty bad.




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mibuokami on 25 April 2010
Kasz216 said:
scottie said:
Kasz216 said:
scottie said:
Kasz216 said:
NiKKoM said:

Kasz216 said:

They aren't even saying that in public. 

I mean... lets review the facts.

 

1) Something happens.

3) West and Zampella are fired.

4) West and Zampella sue  Activision.

5) Activision puts up a countersuit.

6) Senior members of the team leaves

7) West and Zampella open up a studio with EA.

8) Activision promises bonuses to people who stays

9) More people leave.

 


Edited... we know the actions and not the truth.. we will find out everything someday.. I'm not claiming that they are innocent/wrong on either side but we have to wait to find out who was doing wrong..

What I posted WAS the actions.

You just edited it to try and remove all the things that made them look bad.

Like singing a deal with the company they were accused of making a deal with.


That they signed a deal with the company they were accused of making a deal with is a fact.

 

that they signed a deal with EA after being fired from Activision is in no way a crime or breech of contract, because the act of firing the people breaks the contract

No, it was the negotations before that did that.   It's pretty obvious they were done based on just the amazing speed in which this was done.  If they really cared about "creative control" they would of just started up their own company.   You don't think the guys who made MW2 couldn't get a loan?

 

Yeah, because bankers generally know heaps about video games :P

Now your REALLY stretching it to the absurd.  Bankers most definitly know Modern Warfare. Everybody knows modern warfare.

We made a brand worth 3 billion... yeah I think they'd get loans.

Why were they even negotiating in the first place? There is obviously some friction going on, with rumours of restriction on creative freedom, dislikable executive decisions that 'harm' the franchise (CoD's) image as far as West and Zampella was concern, talks of West and Zampella being IP nazi the REALLY did not like Activision giving their property for other devs to handle etc.

The point is West or Zampella would not have jumped ship if they were happy at Activision. The reason for their dissatisfaction is unknown (although more than likely its activision's handling of their IP) and the process by which they attempted to negotiation with Activision is also unknown.




Kasz216 on 25 April 2010
mibuokami said:
Kasz216 said:
scottie said:
Kasz216 said:

No, it was the negotations before that did that.   It's pretty obvious they were done based on just the amazing speed in which this was done.  If they really cared about "creative control" they would of just started up their own company.   You don't think the guys who made MW2 couldn't get a loan?

 

Yeah, because bankers generally know heaps about video games :P

Now your REALLY stretching it to the absurd.  Bankers most definitly know Modern Warfare. Everybody knows modern warfare.

We made a brand worth 3 billion... yeah I think they'd get loans.

Why were they even negotiating in the first place? There is obviously some friction going on, with rumours of restriction on creative freedom, dislikable executive decisions that 'harm' the franchise (CoD's) image as far as West and Zampella was concern, talks of West and Zampella being IP nazi the REALLY did not like Activision giving their property for other devs to handle etc.

The point is West or Zampella would not have jumped ship if they were happy at Activision. The reason for their dissatisfaction is unknown (although more than likely its activision's handling of their IP) and the process by which they attempted to negotiation with Activision is also unknown.

It's irrelevent why they were disastisfied..  They broke the terms of their contract and therefore... deserve pretty much anything bad that happens to them.  If any NFL player hates his current team, and starts negotitations with another... it doesn't matter WHY he's going to get punished and rightfully so.  Who hasn't had a job they hated?  If you do, all you can do is sit it out until your contract is up.