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jneul said:
this thread is the most stupid thread i have read and i'm more pro sony, you could not play on nintendo games on ps2 or ps1 either, so you argument makes no sense.
if you want to play on mario so bad buy a wii, I mean i own a wii as well so I can get the best of both worlds, problem solved.

That would be too smart.



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nordlead said:
Tuganuno said:
nordlead said:

Yes, 200 Euroes in 2009 was fair. At one point they had to increase the cost (in the UK only I believe) due to how poorly the Yen was doing. They weren't making a profit any more. Releasing products in Europe is expensive for Nintendo due to the lack of a good distribution system. With all the languages and laws they have to follow they had to build into Europe. Even to this day there are places where Nitendo's distribution is crappy causing prices to be higher.

Also, Nintendo includes a Nunchuck in the Wii package, it helps to do some research before you make an argument. Also, Nintendo already included a game called Wii Sports. It sold used for ~$25-35 and still sells for ~$15-20 which is more than most games sell used for. Even if you consider it a stupid game, it is a valuable game as proven by the used market (check out videogamepricecharts for proof).

Crying that Nintendo is ripping you off is just a sad copout as a last ditch effort to strike out against a company that is doing a brilliant job providing the content people want at the price they want. They even admitted that they thought about selling the system at $300 during launch, but then decided a cheaper price was better. The fact that they couldn't keep the product on the store shelves is enough evidence that the price is reasonable. Also Considering there is no equal competitor you can't really claim they are overpriced either. Sony failed at this with their $600 machine that was a horrible price to start with. Besides, you really think Sony wanted to give you a good deal on the system? All they really wanted you to do was buy their overpriced Blu-ray and game discs. Heck, they have the highest liscensing fees for games. So why aren't you crying about them ripping you off for game costs?

#1, and lets start by that crying thing. I only "raged" once because I was starting to get stupid replies on this thread, and it's extremly annoying when people manipulate what I'm trying to say to make me look like the worst sony fanboy on Earth. Another thing that annoys me, is when basically people just make false assumptions about me. The usual, "if you're not on my side, then you're my enemy" and therefor, I'm nothing more than a Nintendo hater.

#2, about the nunchunk, and now this is what I was refering to, if you simply cared to read just one or two of my previous posts, you could have easily noticed that I used to have a Wii (no longer have it, but that doesn't matter). The thing is, I had to buy a second controller, and that controller, not the one that comes with the Wii, didn't have a nunchunk. "it helps to do some research before you make an argument" Lol at the irony...

#3, I made some research (like you asked =P) and it was actually 250€, not 200€ (the price cut only happened in September). 250€ is something like... 330$. I really made a big mystake on all of my posts, should have just sticked to € instead of using $ and €. But anyway, even if it isn't very cheap to release products in Europe, I really can't see how it could be 80$ more expensive per Wii. Well actually, all countries in Europe get ripped off by everyone. Except the UK.

#4, "They even admitted that they thought about selling the system at 300$ during launch, but the decided a cheaper price was better" "You really think Sony wanted to give you a good deal on the system?" Replace "Sony" by Nintendo and you'll get my opinion about that - they probably made the math and knew that a 250$ console would be more appealing, and therefor it would give 'em more money.

#5, 600$ might be too much money for a console, I can understand that. And most great games only started to show up on 2007/08, so you can say that Sony did bad on the early years. And yh, I think that Sony gave me a good deal - the software is pretty damn good, at least in my opinion, and besides that, the hardware is reliable and the most advanced on consoles (of course that doesn't mean anything if it doesn't have good games). If someone sells me a car for 6000$, even tho it costed 8000$ to make, then at least in my head, it's a good deal... specially because it does stuff that other cars don't XD

1) wasn't aimed at you, but everyone who claims that nintendo is evil because they didn't lose money while selling a console while Sony did.

2) sorry I interpreted that a console should come with a nunchuck as a controller should come as a nunchuck. Next time say what you mean. Either way, they would charge $60 for a Wiimote/Nunchuck combo which really isn't that expensive compared to the $54 PS3 controller. However, you don't need a nunchuck for most games, so why force it on a customer? seems like a good idea to me.

3) you asked about a price, and it was the price. As for 250 eruo != $330. You have a ~20% VAT. This places it at ~$270 which an extra $20 for distribution in PAL territories is understandable.

4) I don't deny they wanted to make more money, everyone does, but they didn't intentionaly overprice it in case it only sold 10m to the Nintendo faithful. Nintendo themselves thought they would only sell 20m units lifetime (like all the analysts) hence the horrible shortages as they had to ramp up production facilities.

5) I don't even know why we are talking about Sony costing so much, but people keep using it as a poor example of why Nintendo are a bunch of greedy bastards. Sony was just as greedy, but they failed and instead lost money. Again, if someone sold you a car for $6000 (rather than 8k) and then forced you to do all the work at their shop and charged more than anyone else, would you feel you got a good deal? Thats how the PS3 works. You have to buy their PS3 software which they charge more from 3rd parties than anyone else. It's just that the costs are hidden with the games rather than being right up in your face. In the end, Neither company makes me feel like I got more value for my $, mostly because I waited until I got the PS3 for $300 which is a much more reasonable price for a blu-ray player & game system. Espeically because the PS3 failed as a multimedia system and I ended up building a HTPC to repalce it (with the exception of Blu-ray)

1) I apologize then, I thought it was directly aimed at me lol And just for the record, I don't hate companies for being succeful.. ok except Activision.

2) And now I could say "250€ for a wii is expensive in my opinion" and therefor Nintendo could improve the original pack, starting by giving another controller - because that's the point of having a Wii right? Playing with friends offline. And then you'd say "but 250€ isn't expensive at all" and we'd start all over again lol

3) To be honest, nothing of that changes the fact that I have to pay much more than you for a Wii. But that happens to all (at least to most) products, the difference is that I couldn't possibly expect Sony to lower the PS3's price in Europe because they were already losing money per each console made. Nintendo wasn't.

4) I remember hearing Nintendo's Wii expectations were that it would sell over 80 millions. Hm... Maybe it was in late 2006/early 2007 (not before the Wii's release). But anyway, it isn't really fair to have to pay for a company's mystake.

5) Me neither to be honest.. And I didn't really understand that analogy. Well I understood it, but it doesn't make much sense... PS3's games are like... 10€ more expensive than the Wii's one? So what, one uses a blu-ray disc, it must be more expensive. Besides, PS3s games cost just as much as 360 games, at least in Portugal (70€). I have no reasons at all to complain about Sony. They didn't force me to buy a PS3 for 600€, I decided I wanted to, and I certainly don't regret it.



great joke thread! lol Mario on PS3

I think people should be glad Nintendo is holding its own. If it ever came down to them quitting the HW business, they wouldn't join forces with MS or Sony, but would likely form up with Apple, who would in turn eliminate all competition, like they have done in the portable music sector and cellphone sector. It'd end up becoming a 1 console generation within 2 generations from now.

Diversity isn't a bad thing. Hell, asthe Sony heads said "Get another job" if you want more than one console

 



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I blame Wii Fit.



End of 2009 Predictions (Set, January 1st 2009)

Wii- 72 million   3rd Year Peak, better slate of releases

360- 37 million   Should trend down slightly after 3rd year peak

PS3- 29 million  Sales should pick up next year, 3rd year peak and price cut

archbrix said:

Actually my point holds up just fine, and I'll state it again:  Galaxy being in development for so long is, again, irrelevant:  Nintendo's focus was obviously not about the graphics with Wii; it never is.  My point is WHEN Nintendo has an inevitable upgrade in hardware, you'll see even better looking games from them, plain and simple.  No "cliffhanger" or "what if" logic here:  Just look at SMW vs SMB or A Link to the Past vs the original Zelda.  It just makes sense...

 

 

 

Again cliffhanger logic your point holds no ground and never will as the only improvement you can come up with is better looking games, your logic is again flawed here as the time between SMW and SMB is a whole gen so obviously the designers said we have ideas that can't be done on current hardware very much referencing Reggie's comment I brought up earlier and to kill off this part further look at the progression between SMB and SMB3 and this was on the same hardware not to mention SMB3 is the template that SMW is built on, by your logic it's like saying look at RE4 and then look at RE1 on PS1 and try and used it as a focal point to say why PS1 should of been more powerful. You're now comparing whole different gens with each other to try and prove your point rather then your initial stance that the Wii should of been as powerful as the PS3 to improve Galaxy as you can't think of any solid improvements a predictable move, different gens have loads of time between them for new ideas to form as R&D is constantly going on what the subject here is Nintendo's current venture not what they'll be doing next gen in this what if argument you're trying to push.

 

Nintendo's progression is based more on their creative path, they look at their ideas first then they fit the hardware around these ideas something you and various others don't seem to understand, they don't just bang out a console and then start developing for it their approach is set in stone long before the new gen. Why do you think Galaxy is one of the best looking games this gen let alone on the Wii and was out with in the first year, why do you think it's one of the best games in history as well as platform and will be remebered for years on end long after the likes of Gears and God of Wars, games like those don't just take months to throw together on a console both the hardware and software ideas were in sync and built from the ground up for each other that's how Nintendo have always operated. While everyone was thinking of more power they were thinking of MC so all this talk about if the Wii was as powerful as the PS3 is mute as the Wii is as powerful as Nintendo needed it to be as Nintendo already had their goals set.



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bigjon said:
I blame Wii Fit.

because its Awesome right (no this isnt a Joke)




ROLF, you do realizes if you give a negative opinnion about anything nintendo related, you're gonna get flammed as hell (sometimes sony related too, but much less)?



pizzahut451 said:
ROLF, you do realizes if you give a negative opinnion about anything nintendo related, you're gonna get flammed as hell (sometimes sony related too, but much less)?


Who's Rolf? And what does "flammed" mean, like a flim-flam, like a ripoff or something? And for the record you can say negative things about Nintendo (and especially MS) and be okay, but you can't post nonsense with nonsense logic and expect people to just ignore it. Unless you put how Sony does something better than Ninty or MS, then you get a lot of support.



CommonMan said:
pizzahut451 said:
ROLF, you do realizes if you give a negative opinnion about anything nintendo related, you're gonna get flammed as hell (sometimes sony related too, but much less)?


Who's Rolf? And what does "flammed" mean, like a flim-flam, like a ripoff or something? And for the record you can say negative things about Nintendo (and especially MS) and be okay, but you can't post nonsense with nonsense logic and expect people to just ignore it. Unless you put how Sony does something better than Ninty or MS, then you get a lot of support.

as you can see, no you cant. guy said his opinnion and he got attacked hard. his opinnion might sound dumb and wrong to somebody but doesnt mean you can insult them.

 

Also, i find it great that you point out spelling mistakes on internet. really cool. People like you make internet a better place for our children

 

 



pizzahut451 said:
CommonMan said:
pizzahut451 said:
ROLF, you do realizes if you give a negative opinnion about anything nintendo related, you're gonna get flammed as hell (sometimes sony related too, but much less)?


Who's Rolf? And what does "flammed" mean, like a flim-flam, like a ripoff or something? And for the record you can say negative things about Nintendo (and especially MS) and be okay, but you can't post nonsense with nonsense logic and expect people to just ignore it. Unless you put how Sony does something better than Ninty or MS, then you get a lot of support.

As you can see, no you can't. This guy stated his opinion and he got attacked a lot. His opinnion might sound dumb and wrong to somebody but that doesn't mean you can insult him.

 

Also, I find it great that you point out spelling mistakes on the internet. This is really cool. People like you make internet a better place for our children.

 

 

 

The first post in this thread would be more accurately described as "nonsense with nonsense logic" than a valid opinion. In particular, the claim that Nintendo has not made any excellent games should be considered trolling and warrants lots of teasing of the thread creator and his spelling.

 

Spelling is important, but without grammar and punctuation it is not enough. I fixed your previous post and have put the changes in bold for you. Between CommonMan and I, the internet should remain a good place for children to learn how to communicate properly.