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noodson said:
huaxiong90 said:....please tell me you're joking...

Nope. What's superior technically in Uncharted 2 compare to Gow3 ?

(Short answer : almost everything)

- Modeling (Nathan is about 30k poly)

- Shaders, textures and normal map complexity

- Lightning, shadow maps (might be the best sm i ve seen this gen), SSAO implementation,..

- IA (!), collision, particules, animation (crazy blending animation tech), inverse kinetic and so on..

- even scale (GOW3 has a relative great scale but not in the level itself), Uncharted renders a whole city in some levels with extensive use of streaming, and GOW3 is a fixed camera. 

 

Pros for GOW3

- Art direction, or i would say type of design (more "sexy", cause it's "out of this world")

- AA rendering (MSAA, wich is a ND base code they used)

 

Santa Monica is a very good studio, very talented artist, strong gameplay fondation, great art realisation, etc..but technically they are not in the same league than ND (not much are close in fact..) They indeed rely on ND and in some way to Insomniac for their tech stuff.


Agreed. I played God of War 3 (got all my trophies, w00t), BEFORE i played Uncharted 2 (just bought it last week), and i'm blown away by Uncharted 2. More so than i was at GOW3, which i've beaten now 3 times (so don't tell me i haven't "played"). In my opinion, Uncharted 2 is the better looking game, technically, and visually (i prefer real world game settings, than fictional ones...if you can impress me with graphics of things i see/exist in real life...that's more amazing to me).



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AlkamistStar said:
noodson said:
huaxiong90 said:....please tell me you're joking...

Nope. What's superior technically in Uncharted 2 compare to Gow3 ?

(Short answer : almost everything)

- Modeling (Nathan is about 30k poly)

- Shaders, textures and normal map complexity

- Lightning, shadow maps (might be the best sm i ve seen this gen), SSAO implementation,..

- IA (!), collision, particules, animation (crazy blending animation tech), inverse kinetic and so on..

- even scale (GOW3 has a relative great scale but not in the level itself), Uncharted renders a whole city in some levels with extensive use of streaming, and GOW3 is a fixed camera. 

 

Pros for GOW3

- Art direction, or i would say type of design (more "sexy", cause it's "out of this world")

- AA rendering (MSAA, wich is a ND base code they used)

 

Santa Monica is a very good studio, very talented artist, strong gameplay fondation, great art realisation, etc..but technically they are not in the same league than ND (not much are close in fact..) They indeed rely on ND and in some way to Insomniac for their tech stuff.


Agreed. I played God of War 3 (got all my trophies, w00t), BEFORE i played Uncharted 2 (just bought it last week), and i'm blown away by Uncharted 2. More so than i was at GOW3, which i've beaten now 3 times (so don't tell me i haven't "played"). In my opinion, Uncharted 2 is the better looking game, technically, and visually (i prefer real world game settings, than fictional ones...if you can impress me with graphics of things i see/exist in real life...that's more amazing to me).

My point wasn't about GoW3 looking better. It was about another game surpassing both games significantly.



Rockstar: Announce Bully 2 already and make gamers proud!

Kojima: Come out with Project S already!

Can't see how this thread could possibly end badly.

*grabs popcorn*



i cant believe how many ps3 fans this website got and they need get a life and accept that alan wake has got better graphic than gow3 or uc2



@selnor

Did you read gamereactor's first hand impressions? The first reviewer to do so?

http://www.gamereactor.se/brev/147267/N%E5gra+Alan+Wake-fr%E5gor+till+Elfving/

"Alan wake questions to Elfving (One of the gamereactor editors that have played AW)"

Questions =

1. How does the gameplay feel?
2. Is the graphics as good as the movies? Could u compare them to the big dawgs like Killzone 2 and Crysis? (He didn't even mention Uncharted 2 & GoW 3.)
3. How long is the gameplay? I heard it was 20-30 hours...

Answers by Elfving =

1. Gameplay is good, can't really complain.
2. It depends what movies you're talking about, ofcourse its nicely done especially the lightning and the fog, but Crysis/Killzone 2-level? No.
3. Shorter, somewhere around 10 hours.

I think i'll take one of the editors opinion that have actually played the game when it comes to graphics. I don't see it becoming GOTY compared to the other bombshells.



 

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arminuk said:

i cant believe how many ps3 fans this website got and they need get a life and accept that alan wake has got better graphic than gow3 or uc2

You know, I could relate your "get a life" comment to your gamerscore, but I'm not going to.

 

All I'm going to say is you seriously need to drop your beef with PS3 fans, and learn to accept opinions.



Rockstar: Announce Bully 2 already and make gamers proud!

Kojima: Come out with Project S already!

yeah then again graphics are so much a personal taste.... I have a hard time with anything cell shading doesn't mean it's not good graphics.... it just gives me headache

now I don't care what reviews or players say.... the only real way to define best graphic in a measurable way is the resolution, the frame rate and then all the technical goodies like nbr of poly, anti aliasing, nbr of moving objects vs static ones etc.... cause you can make a tunnel game look awesome and then an open world look worst but technically be of higher quality.... i'd be more impressed with average looking game that is huge with a lot of average visual happening on screen than highly detail small environment....

we have tones of examples of games that actually look better but that are technically inferior than others....



Here's one:

http://www.todoxbox360.com/foros/analisis-alan-wake-t92571.html?s=1c0892f808f673b7750d26c0a08ff2f4&s=6183cc74e23d3325149d1920dba137f9&s=6592746789477a8a885a6db9f06dabd7&

"El suspense y la investigación de los hechos que transcurren en Bright Falls se transmiten por la exquisita representación gráfica, fundamentalmente, por el motor de iluminación que nos ofrece una riqueza visual sin parangón hasta la fecha en los títulos vistos."

Yeah u need to understand spanish..



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NightAntilli said:
Here's one:

http://www.todoxbox360.com/foros/analisis-alan-wake-t92571.html?s=1c0892f808f673b7750d26c0a08ff2f4&s=6183cc74e23d3325149d1920dba137f9&s=6592746789477a8a885a6db9f06dabd7&

"El suspense y la investigación de los hechos que transcurren en Bright Falls se transmiten por la exquisita representación gráfica, fundamentalmente, por el motor de iluminación que nos ofrece una riqueza visual sin parangón hasta la fecha en los títulos vistos."

Translation?



Rockstar: Announce Bully 2 already and make gamers proud!

Kojima: Come out with Project S already!

seeing god war 3 in flash video not the same as TV, i never been so blow away since today i finally was able to start god of war 3