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disolitude on 20 April 2010
Mazty said:
disolitude said:
Mazty said:
With Move and 3D gaming in the works, I can't see how the PS3 won't.


You should really reading this before hyping PS3 3D again.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalf...-ps3-3d-article

Summary:

- Games already released will have their resolution and frame rate halved in order to work with 3D. Howmany 1080p, 60 hz games are out on PS3?

- Or games will need to have features like split screen thrown out and be heavily optimized (motostorm demo)

- This optimization will have to be done by the developer. Howmany developers are going to pour money in to a closed game for 3D optimizing?

 

In any case, 3D gaming is going to be quite a niche gaming experience to make any market impact. There just won't be many games supporting it...

 

Link doesn't work.

I've heard those criticisms before, but considering the games that are going to be 3D at release (WipeoutHD and Motorstorm: PR), those games never took advantage of the SPU's in the first place, or at least not nearly as much as Uncharted 2 etc. I'd like to wait and see how the 3d process works before presuming it's just having to render the image twice - surely there's a more efficient way?

As for whether it is a console seller or not, it's something the 360 and wii do not have and so certianly an advantage in tht way. Sure, you need a 3D ready TV, but I do know a fair few people with 200Hz TV's, and I'm sure it will help sell at least a few consoles in the long run.

Plus 3D bluray. Now that'll really be a big advantage over the competition.

Sorry about the link: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-making-of-ps3-3d-article

You have a few concepts about 3D confused.

Not just any 200/240 hz TV supports 3D on PS3. Infact none of them do... Only Samsung has a few on Sale so far which came out 3 weeks ago. All 3D capable TVs are still coming...

Also, there is a more of an efficient way of doing 3D. Its called 2D to 3D conversion. A few LG and Samsung do this on the fly and this works with Wii and 360 games too. For PS3. its either 1/2 the res and frame rate or that. There really isn't a 3rd option.

And lastly, compared to what is offered in 3D on the PC...PS3 will need to come out with all guns blazing to capture any attention of that gaming community. People on the PC are playing games like Metro 2033 and Resident Evil 5 in perfect and amazing quality, at 1080p with 3 monitors surround vision.  PS3 so far seems to be offering a few ok titles at 720p...and that just won't cut it.

And second lastly, 3D bluray for PS3 is its biggest advantage. I may buy one if they support checkerboard 3D TVs from 2009... :)



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uber on 20 April 2010

i'm waiting for the lead to shrink to under 5 million for the sales adjustment gods to come and restore the lead to 27 million. they are cruel and malicious gods.



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Mazty on 20 April 2010
disolitude said:
Mazty said:
disolitude said:
Mazty said:
With Move and 3D gaming in the works, I can't see how the PS3 won't.


You should really reading this before hyping PS3 3D again.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalf...-ps3-3d-article

Summary:

- Games already released will have their resolution and frame rate halved in order to work with 3D. Howmany 1080p, 60 hz games are out on PS3?

- Or games will need to have features like split screen thrown out and be heavily optimized (motostorm demo)

- This optimization will have to be done by the developer. Howmany developers are going to pour money in to a closed game for 3D optimizing?

 

In any case, 3D gaming is going to be quite a niche gaming experience to make any market impact. There just won't be many games supporting it...

 

Link doesn't work.

I've heard those criticisms before, but considering the games that are going to be 3D at release (WipeoutHD and Motorstorm: PR), those games never took advantage of the SPU's in the first place, or at least not nearly as much as Uncharted 2 etc. I'd like to wait and see how the 3d process works before presuming it's just having to render the image twice - surely there's a more efficient way?

As for whether it is a console seller or not, it's something the 360 and wii do not have and so certianly an advantage in tht way. Sure, you need a 3D ready TV, but I do know a fair few people with 200Hz TV's, and I'm sure it will help sell at least a few consoles in the long run.

Plus 3D bluray. Now that'll really be a big advantage over the competition.

Sorry about the link: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-making-of-ps3-3d-article

You have a few concepts about 3D confused.

Not just any 200/240 hz TV supports 3D on PS3. Infact none of them do... Only Samsung has a few on Sale so far which came out 3 weeks ago. All 3D capable TVs are still coming...

Also, there is a more of an efficient way of doing 3D. Its called 2D to 3D conversion. A few LG and Samsung do this on the fly and this works with Wii and 360 games too. For PS3. its either 1/2 the res and frame rate or that. There really isn't a 3rd option.

And lastly, compared to what is offered in 3D on the PC...PS3 will need to come out with all guns blazing to capture any attention of that gaming community. People on the PC are playing games like Metro 2033 and Resident Evil 5 in perfect and amazing quality, at 1080p with 3 monitors surround vision.  PS3 so far seems to be offering a few ok titles at 720p...and that just won't cut it.

And second lastly, 3D bluray for PS3 is its biggest advantage. I may buy one if they support checkerboard 3D TVs from 2009... :)

The only special part of a 3D TV is that it is 120Hz. What prevents a faster TV doing 3D?

The only thing with 360 and wii doing 3d is that who holds the rights to the 3d glasses and gaming? Would be surprised if Nvidia didn't.

The difference with PC 3d gaming is that Nvidia's new cards suck ass, and the old ones aren't perfect when it comes to 3d gaming, but yeah, if PS3 is noticably inferior, it'll be written off as a gimmick.



jneul on 20 April 2010

im sure when it gets below 5m major adjustments will be made again:P:P



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disolitude on 20 April 2010
Mazty said:

 

The only special part of a 3D TV is that it is 120Hz. What prevents a faster TV doing 3D?

The only thing with 360 and wii doing 3d is that who holds the rights to the 3d glasses and gaming? Would be surprised if Nvidia didn't.

The difference with PC 3d gaming is that Nvidia's new cards suck ass, and the old ones aren't perfect when it comes to 3d gaming, but yeah, if PS3 is noticably inferior, it'll be written off as a gimmick.


No, lots of TVs have the 120 hz + refresh rate. But thats the refresh rate of the screen. The TV needs to have 120 HZ input rate. That does not exist until HDMI 1.4 TVs come out... Old HDMI ports only support 60 hz input so they can't take the 3D signal.

3D gaming has been around since the 80s so I don't think anyone holds the rights to stereoscopic 3D. Also, xbox already has 2 games which work in 3D on various TVs and using many types of glasses. Avatar and XBL game...PS3 has them too, so I don't think rights to 3D gaming are the problem.

New Nvidia cards have gotten a lot of bad press...but they are not as expensive as people expected them to be and they are coming out with really good bench marks. In any case, until ATI or someone comes up with another 3D solution, Nvidia can do whatever they want on the PC for 3D. And it doesn't look like PS3 will offer much of an alternative on consoles...



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LordChris915 on 20 April 2010
disolitude said:
Mazty said:
With Move and 3D gaming in the works, I can't see how the PS3 won't.


You should really reading this before hyping PS3 3D again.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalf...-ps3-3d-article

Summary:

- Games already released will have their resolution and frame rate halved in order to work with 3D. Howmany 1080p, 60 hz games are out on PS3?

- Or games will need to have features like split screen thrown out and be heavily optimized (motostorm demo)

- This optimization will have to be done by the developer. Howmany developers are going to pour money in to a closed game for 3D optimizing?

 

In any case, 3D gaming is going to be quite a niche gaming experience to make any market impact. There just won't be many games supporting it...

Fair points but you might be exhibiting some naivety, we may well see some games built from the ground up as 3D games, they may well innovate around graphical issues and people may not care the same considering they are playing games IN 3D!

I'm not saying this will come to pass, simply that for every criticism, there is a potential counter argument and we should really wait for the first 3D games to come out instead of speculating



leo-j on 20 April 2010

um its obvious the ps3 will cut the lead under 5 million and probably 4 million, the issue for sony will be this fall, and whether or not move is a sucess, and whether or not microsoft decides to make NATAL a sucess, and push the 360 with a cheaper price point.

Nobody really knows, but on my view, the ps3 can cut the lead to less than 4 million before fall.



 

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Mazty on 20 April 2010
leo-j said:
um its obvious the ps3 will cut the lead under 5 million and probably 4 million, the issue for sony will be this fall, and whether or not move is a sucess, and whether or not microsoft decides to make NATAL a sucess, and push the 360 with a cheaper price point.

Nobody really knows, but on my view, the ps3 can cut the lead to less than 4 million before fall.

Though isn't GT5 due this fall?



PlaystaionGamer on 20 April 2010
disolitude said:
Mazty said:
With Move and 3D gaming in the works, I can't see how the PS3 won't.


You should really reading this before hyping PS3 3D again.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalf...-ps3-3d-article

Summary:

- Games already released will have their resolution and frame rate halved in order to work with 3D. Howmany 1080p, 60 hz games are out on PS3?

- Or games will need to have features like split screen thrown out and be heavily optimized (motostorm demo)

- This optimization will have to be done by the developer. Howmany developers are going to pour money in to a closed game for 3D optimizing?

 

In any case, 3D gaming is going to be quite a niche gaming experience to make any market impact. There just won't be many games supporting it...

nah it will be alright, when it comes to gaming SONY know what to do, they will find a way

 



disolitude on 20 April 2010
PlaystaionGamer said:
disolitude said:
Mazty said:
With Move and 3D gaming in the works, I can't see how the PS3 won't.


You should really reading this before hyping PS3 3D again.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalf...-ps3-3d-article

Summary:

- Games already released will have their resolution and frame rate halved in order to work with 3D. Howmany 1080p, 60 hz games are out on PS3?

- Or games will need to have features like split screen thrown out and be heavily optimized (motostorm demo)

- This optimization will have to be done by the developer. Howmany developers are going to pour money in to a closed game for 3D optimizing?

 

In any case, 3D gaming is going to be quite a niche gaming experience to make any market impact. There just won't be many games supporting it...

nah it will be alright, when it comes to gaming SONY know what to do, they will find a way

 

If one is a religious man, and believes in miracles...then there still is hope.

Seiously though...how are you going to convince someone to buy a 3000 dollar tv and a ps3 to play 3D games? With Wipeoput HD, at half resolution and frame rate?

Nvidia had a hard enought time convincing people to buy a 300 dollar video card, 300 dolalr monitor and 200 dollar glasses tech...and they support over 300 PC games with stunning 3d quality.

The only real way this 3d tech would have taken off on PS3 is if Sony came out and said "We have another Cell processor hidden in PS3 that is going to do 3D processing...all of the back catalog games are compatible!". Then people would go for it for sure.