I know of not one person whose 360 didnt have an epic fail (RROD). No one I know who has ps3
has had one problem ever since launch. for the price, free online play, and a really long list of features that everyone should already know... I would vouch for Sony. Microsoft milks the people and some folks like their utters tugged.

Excellent contribution to the thread! Your unique insights into the game systems will not go unnoticed, I'm sure.

only in America the 360 has the advantage over the PS3 due to the one year advantage and how patriotic the Americans are towards their product, i cant blame them by right they have every right too support it but in terms of world wide the PS3 has the overall lead due to the fact is almost dead in the Japanese market Europeans are going for the PS3 over the 360 and 80 -90% of asia still prefer the PS3 over the 360.


*disagree with the above statement you can go and f**k your self literally, iam not f**king joking here...OK, have fun

I do disagree with your statement, I like the 360 due to the games. And I'm not going to "go f**k myself", but I will report you.

I doubt it will stay ahead of the PS3 in the long haul...I see the PS3 lasting a lot longer on the shelves than the 360, and once Microsoft launches the next Xbox, 360 sales will likely dry up pretty quickly...

maybe. it also depends when this gen ends.
rest of april-augaust. 360 will release allen wake, crackdown 2, and splinter cell C(just came out). the ps3 will release GT5 and in july or aug. maybe ps move. for this time i expect the the ps3 to continue to out sell the 360. but by less then it has been. it will drop from the usall 65k to around 30k untill GT5 comes out then it will go back up. for this time i expect the ps3 to catch the 360 by 500k units.
september-december. 360 releases fable 3, and halo reach. the ps3 release FFv13. the 360 releases slim and natal. so i expect the ps3 to outsell the 360 untill 360 price cut,slim or natal comes out. i think the natal/slim bundle will be huge for the holidays were it will outsell the ps3 very simaler to the way the ps3 outsold the 360 at the end of last year. so for this timei expect the 360 to outsell the ps3 by 1.5 million units.
by the end of the year i think the gap will be about 6.4 million units.
2011- i expect ps3 to release uncharted 3,killzone 3, resistance 3, and infamous 2. while the 360 releases gears 3, and maybe the next pgr game or something.
so i think the 360 will continue to outsell the ps3 untill around may-july when ps3 gets a price cut. then i see them sell about the same or ps3 out selling the 360 by a little bit.
by the end of 2011 360 will have the lead by about 5.75 million units.
then theres 2012. i really dont know what to expect for 2012. mass effect 3 will maybe come out. for 2012
for 2012 i expect the 360 to have the lead by 5 million units, when the new gen starts in november. i expect 720, ps4, and wii 2 to come out.
by the end of 2013 i expect ms to stop production of the 360, and sony do the same in 2014.
by the end of 2014 i think the 360 will have the lead by about 2 million.

I agree with this. Xbox has really shown itself this generation. Back when the first xbox came out, I really hated it with a passion. Basically a 5 game system the size of an airplane hangar.

This gen, it has really shown off some amazing progress. It is often the better looking multiplat console, has some amazing exclusives, and gotten some great dev support. On top of that, they've really managed to include some interesting concepts such as Natal, games like 1vs100, etc etc. If I had had a better opinion coming out of the xbox gen, I probably would have not sold my 360 when it ringed. I think next gen, if MS can find it in themselves to care a little bit more about their hardware quality, it will be a very very successful console.

To extrapolate on what Squill said, it doesn't matter if they fall into third. They're already sealed their place as being a successful competitor to both Nin and Sony.

THIS!

Seriously, the ADD here is ridiculous.  Every time one of the consoles gets a price cut (alternate years, for the record), the other one is doomed.  People, there is no new trend!  PS3 gets a price cut and comes within 5 million of the 360.  360 gets a price cut and the gap swells to 9 million.  Rinse and repeat.

There is no GAME that will make a difference.  The ONLY thing that could change things drastically is the public response to the introduction and implementation of the upcoming motion controllers for the 2 HD consoles.  So any prediction beyond their release is extremely speculative.  We just.  don't.  know.

And I know this post (as well as BenVTrigger's original) will get categorically ignored because they always do.  Why?  Because people don't like the truth if it doesn't feed into their preconceived notions, and this is even more the case when there is an emotional attachment to a console 'winning' (whatever that means).  The reality is that as long as these console makers find profitability, they are not losers.  The market is supporting 3 consoles during a horrible economy.  Even in 3rd place, the PS3 will likely pass the best selling 2nd place console in history.  Don't miss the forest for the trees, folks.

If we cut through the fanboyism you have to ask a simple question. When is the PS3 going to peak? Is this it's peak year? Is it going to be next year?

Speaking from an analysis point of view i think right now is the best the PS3 has ever been in terms of what it can offer for the amount it costs. The first three months of 2010 see the PS3 at the height of it's power in terms of games released and in terms of it's demand.

However that demand is not as high as Vgc tries to imply it is. With this months NPD results see's the PS3 overtracked for the 10th month out of the last 12th. You don't need to be an analysis to spot a pattern there.

If we use this months figures the numbers were a lot lower then predicted. That was in the best month on record for games on the system.

If we use NPD numbers in position of Vgc's USA figures we see the weekly worldwide gap is just 30k. If you break that gap down into regions your find that americas obviously has 360 selling more. Europe has them selling neck and neck due to the popularity of the 360 in UK, currently the 2nd biggest gaming market in the world.
The majority of this gap comes from Japan mainly because as we know 360 won't sell there.
Another main gap is in others in the "other" section which makes up around 10k of the gap each week. I have asked about this region many times trying to get clarification on how those numbers are tracked when in some areas i.e China it would be impossible due to their laws, have yet to get a reply in months of asking.

So you have to look at it in a regional sense to maybe find an answer.
America will see 360 sell more.
Europe will most likely be neck and neck
Japan will see PS3 sell more.

Sony had a really good go at it in terms of getting the numbers back against the 360. They released a new model with a big price cut and since then have released a better catalogue of games for the system in my opinion. While in this time the 360 has not really done much, stayed at the same price it has been at now for almost 2 years. Has had not many exclusives in that period, only a couple that are truely note worthy, no A+ exclusive games.
But even with all this it is still selling more in americas and in places in europe.

As i said before if you look at it from a neutral perspective you have to say maybe PS3 should be doing better then it has been in the period Microsoft did nothing. Because it is no secret at all that this year will most likely see Microsoft do a slim version 360 with a price cut and release Natal, cheap.

Now you only have to look at Nintendo to see the popularity of the casual games market. If Microsoft tap into that market and take away even just 10% of Wii customers that will result in a big sales difference for Microsoft.
Make no mistake about it Natal is going to be a big thing. Even if we as hardcore gamers never use it, don't like it etc.. the potential it has for many different things is massive. This spreads to a widescope of people in all sorts of daily lives. For example on the Wii Fit when you do the Kung-Fu game, we all know that is not Kung-Fu, the Wii cannot teach us that because the board we stand on can only tell our weight movements. Where as Natal has the potential to actually teach you Kung-Fu by scanning your whole body and analysing your whole body movememnts. If you feck up it can see that.
The potential for it is massive but it is the software that will sell it, and Microsoft are one of if not thee biggest software companies in the world. They will not release it without having something fancy to go with it ala Wii Sports equivelent.

Then through the remainder of the year again look at it from a neutral point of view PS3 future games line-up is now weak. If we roll back just 18 months Sony could boast Final Fantasy and Metal Gear Solid games as fully exclusive. That has now ended. Meaning they have to rely on titles they make themself. And they make great games. But they are not well known and thus because of that won't be the huge system sellers that we were used to.

Where as Microsoft have dediced to concentrate on the next to quarters for their exclusive games. They have a mixed bag of games coming out ranging from Alan Wake, to Fable to their behomoth Halo. So something for everyone. I think it is pretty safe to say that in terms of software sales for the back half of the year 360 will sell more then PS3.

The question then becomes will this software lead to system sales? Personally i think it will but not by much. What will drive sales is the obvious incoming price cut.

And that has been the pattern of this gen. One cuts price and sells loads of consoles, then the other cuts price and sells more console etc etc.

I have no doubt at all by the last day of 2010 the 360 will have clawed back every unit the PS3 has gained on it this year. Which as of right now is just over 700k (a lot less if you use NPD's numbers). And then the following year it will have a similar lead on the PS3 and then Sony will price cut. And that will be the pattern until the end of this gen. So my answer is no.

I just think the next 8 months are going to be a testing time for Sony. Sales week by week are already falling especially in Japan. With no massive titles coming out it is hard to see those sales remaining as they are. The one game that can compete with games like Halo is GT5, but i can't see it coming this year.

"Technically", yeah. But reality is and I hope others would agree with me, the release of new/more advanced hardware doesn't necessarily mean "the start of a new generation". It may come to be considered that, but from a market standpoint is actually irrelevant. What matters, it's SALES.

When a product is no longer LEADING in sales, and it's REPLACED by another that when the generation turns a new page. I'm not talking about a month of sales here. I'm talking about things that can be measured in the market of course, so not only a strong launch that would (most obviously) lead to a new console to outsell a current leader during some few months -or perhaps a whole season- would be enough to determine the market has shifted to a new "generation". When the market shifts it's when consumers turn their attention to a new product and that's where they put their money, installed base rapidly grows and the writing on the wall is clear: this new product is clearly on the rise, a new generation leader has emerged, therefore a new generation has started.

In 1993 the more powerful 3DO launched, the market didn't flinch. Did that start a new generation? if it did, I don't think nobody noticed, lol. In 1999 the Sega Dreamcast launched, same thing. In 2005 the Xbox 360 launched, the PS2 continued to outsell it during all 2006 still! You can be sure that didn't happen when the PS2 launched in USA, the PS1 was overcome month after month (so was the DC of course) in its first fiscal year. The 360 didn't lead (and has never led, this gen), but even if the PS2 was the overall highest selling platform for 2006, the Wii proved where the consumers allegiance was and where the money was going since the very beginning. This generation started with Wii, and the market sales point out that when the Wii ceases to LEAD to give way to a new leader, that's when this generation will be over. You could launch new consoles in 2012, and call it a new "gen". Until any of those systems become a market leader, it matters little. The market decides when a gen starts and when a gen ends.

So the question as I see it is this : Can the 360 stay on top the PS3 total sales as long as the Wii leads the market? I think it will stay on top in USA, almost 90% sure, no matter how long the Wii reigns. However, if there's an "unexpected" turn of events (this generation is like no other), and the PS3 (along with Move or whatever...speculation you know) has some kind of rebirth especially in JAPAN (where the 360 is all but non-existent) then I could see a scenario where the PS3 overtakes the 360 WW sales for good.