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Can the XBox 360 total sales stay in front of PS3 total sales?

Yes it can!!! 113 27.29%
 
No way. PS3 will whoop its ass. 211 50.97%
 
Maybe? 66 15.94%
 
Candy!!! 24 5.80%
 
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kaneada on 28 April 2010
kowenicki said:
crackerman said:
Not a chance, Sony owns europe and japan, and is now even on par and surpassing the 360 in NA, tjhat will only get worse for MS.


it is?... last time I checked it was over 9 million behind...

why?

It's so funny reading your arguments Kowenicki. Sony is 9 million behind in the US, but can more than make up the difference (and so far has) in other regions. Even if Sony does not "win" over the American market share (which admittedly doesn't seem reasonable) it can still make up the difference in sales in both Europe and Japan. I do believe WW the PS3 is only behind a little over 5 mil, which this thread is asking.

Sony's biggest problem with winning over NA at this point in time is the apparent console shortages. If it can solve that it should at least hold even with M$ the rest of this generation. Sales trends show that when PS3 is stocked it runs within 5K + / - 360 sales in NA region. This would keep that gap from widening and also make it negligable when week over week it continues to outperform in the other two regions. It doesn't take very much foresight to see that as a plausible scenario.

Sony is a threat to M$ and it doesn't need NA to win.



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supercat on 28 April 2010
kowenicki said:

not sure what you mean by "current rate" of sales....?

For PS3 to overtake 360, PS3 will need to outsell 360 by:           
                     
670,960 per month to catch it by Jan 2011. 154,837 per week, on average every week.  
268,384 per month to catch it by Jan 2012. 61,935 per week, on average every week.  
167,740 per month to catch it by Jan 2013. 38,709 per week, on average every week.  
121,993 per month to catch it by Jan 2014. 28,152 per week, on average every week.  
                     
Current rate is:  260,458 p/m on average for the last 12 months. 1.76 years to catch at this rate
    319,133 p/m on average for the last 6 months. 1.44 years to catch at this rate
    163,314 p/m on average for the last 3 months. 2.80 years to catch at this rate
                     

Please note that these figures are slighlty off as they dont include a full month for April...    i.e. it is only 2 1/2 months worth of sales and not 3,  5 1/2 and not 6,  11 1/2 and not 12 in the current rate part. 

 


the PS3 sold 400K per month over the XMAS holidays from mid oct onward, also keep in mind that the PS3 has basically outsold the 360 already considering the higher SW totals.      

 

Software is how the console makers make the profit so the PS3 selling more games when it has a 5 million hardware deficit shows how much more the market views the PS3 instead of the 360.   The PS3 domination is starting over the 360 and it aint gonna stop.   The PS3 could be beating the wii in a couple of years as well week to week which would be amazing considering that it was supposed to be canceled, from people's opinions soon after launch anyway.



RareglovE on 29 April 2010

Say if by the time the PS3 beats the 360 or the WII it will be too late because by then M$ and nintendo will have already come up with a new console.

secondly M$ love to worm their way into the pockets of developers by giving them big checks with a one in front and alots of zeros in the end.

Its a big if , for sony to keep their word that the PS3 will last till the end of the 10 year cycle



supercat on 29 April 2010
RareglovE said:
Say if by the time the PS3 beats the 360 or the WII it will be too late because by then M$ and nintendo will have already come up with a new console.

secondly M$ love to worm their way into the pockets of developers by giving them big checks with a one in front and alots of zeros in the end.

Its a big if , for sony to keep their word that the PS3 will last till the end of the 10 year cycle

 

The die shrinks wont be nearly as big in a few years, so with less progress we will also get longer life cycles for the consoles.   I mean the expanding capabilities that new consoles bring every 6 years or so is brought on by making the chips smaller and smaller.  I'm thinking that all 3 will be around for 10 years.



Mr Puggsly on 29 April 2010
XxXProphecyXxX said:
"Just wait and see"

Ahhhh it's been a while since I last heared this phrase.=)

OT: can never tell what would happen, right now it could go either way.....

PS3 fans were saying that for a long time. Nothing changed until the PS3 saw massive price cuts.

With that said, we'll have to wait and see what impact the next 360 price cut has.



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Recon1O1 on 29 April 2010

The 360 has surrendered .2m of it's initial lead over the PS3 in 4 yrs of aggressive price-cutting and in spite of a major redesign. Software worldwide stands at roughly 120m more for 360 than PS3 so I don't see that as proving something in Sony's favour.

Imho there is less than a 50% chance the neXXus will launch in 2011 but there is no chance PS3 will be ahead at that point. The impressive HW and SW numbers PS3 has had recently include some long-awaited SW, supply issues that tend to increase demand and the slim effect.

If the next gen is delayed till 2012 and if Natal has flopped and if M$ have minimized pricecuts to continue running in the black then it is possible. Still M$ will have a solid beachhead in the industry and hopefully learned from past mistakes. As stated above the 360 will not stop selling immediately and at $100, with this library available for next to nothing it could sell very well. I decide when next gen arrives for me and that will be the day I plug in my next box.

If Sony match pricecuts with M$ they will be sacrificing any chance at profitablility this gen. I wonder when they will begin listening to their shareholders rather than their fans.



Loud_Hot_White_Box on 29 April 2010
Mr Puggsly said:
XxXProphecyXxX said:
"Just wait and see"

Ahhhh it's been a while since I last heared this phrase.=)

OT: can never tell what would happen, right now it could go either way.....

PS3 fans were saying that for a long time. Nothing changed until the PS3 saw massive price cuts.

With that said, we'll have to wait and see what impact the next 360 price cut has.

Yeah, that's what they meant to wait and see about.  Wait until the prices are somewhere near equal.  ;)

Anyway, I answered "maybe."  MS will have to be willing to do some substantial further price-cutting to remain ahead by the time PS3 stops selling, and Natal probably needs to be at least a moderate success, as well.  (depending on the size of the price cuts, of course, they could be enough)

EDIT: apparently the thread is only about the period until the next console launches.  I think it's more likely than not that MS can hold on until then, but they'll need price cuts.  I think it's much less likely that 360 will be ahead of PS3 when all is said and done.



Jereel Hunter on 29 April 2010
Vexxmania said:

Foresight indeed. Blu-ray (and now 3D) was an inevitable step that Sony would have had to take in this gen or the next in order to stay ahead of the competition, despite the cost. That foresight allowed Sony to see where the multimedia entertaiment was headed and it allowed them to capitalize from it. They may or may not be doing so now, but they definitely will, in the latter part of the PS3's lifecycle and with the PS4. MS will also have to make a similar jump at some point, because pre-rendered cinematics will still be around regardless of what you expect. If they go the Blu-ray route, it's royalties (win) to Sony. And digital distribution would see their next iteration go the way of the PSP Go. Internet speeds are simply not up to the task at the moment, and won't be for at least a decade. MS will eventually land at a crossroads, and what will they do? Bow to the competition or stick with "old" tech? 

Like you said, this generation OR THE NEXT. Sony jumped the gun, and it cost them billions. Guess what? Everyone everywhere knew that eventually a new method of storage would be needed for games. Noone questioned that. MS and Nintendo had the foresight to say "we don't need to lose billions here, new storage can wait for next gen." Meanwhile, Sony's "foresight" lead to factories being closed and 16,000+ layoffs. They didn't "capitalize" from this. They lost. Big time. And you realize that Sony is only one of many companies with a stake in bluray, right? It's going to take an age for the PS3 investment to pay off. As for the crossroads, MS is in it's 5th year of the 360, and DVDs are still just fine. They don't need to "bow", they're free to ride out this generation, and upgrade in the next.

I highly doubt Sony will be introducing a new format with the PS4. The associated costs would be far too great, not to mention Blu-ray will still be in its infancy stage. All that will be focused on are the graphics card and the processor. The PS3 behind the 360? I think you're speaking too soon here, this gen is far from over. If anything, the PS2 should exhibit the rigidity that Sony has when it comes to keeping its products in the market. Its floppy disk support is a good example of this too (sadly, one that will soon come to an end). I'm curious to see if MS deals with this differently, this time around.

I'm not saying the PS3 will remain behind the 360, merely that it has spend 3 1/2 years playing catch-up, and it's only now making it past it's starting gap.

Noone cares about the Move? How did you come to know of this? I ask the same about your opinion, that Natal is going to move more consoles than the Move? Guesswork has no place in such a discussion.

I'm sorry, I assumed you frequented game sites. The Hype surrounding Natal is huge (unlike the move). The number of developers working on projects for Natal far outshines the Move. Natal is a bold new direction, whereas the move is basically a PS3mote. And MS is, and will continue to, put way more marketting power behind Natal than the PS3 with Move. All signs point to Natal having a much larger impact.

 

numonex said:
I hope the 360 stays in front of the PS3 for as long as possible and prove the doubters wrong again. The 360 is not going to give up without a fight and Microsoft has a few more tricks up its sleeve. 360 Slim, Halo:Reach, Gears of War 3, Project:Natal and Milo. More price cuts and possible revision of the XBox 360 with a system upgrade.

Doubters? What am I doubting?

"360 slim"? ... Please, new PS3 slim.

Another one? What?

"Halo: Reach"? ... C'mon, GT5.

I can't wait until Reach blows GT5's sales out of the water, so we can stop hearing this.

"Gears of war 3"? ... Killzone 3!

Huh? When KZ3 releases, the entire killzone franchise combined will finally have a shot at outselling a single GoW game. But they're not in the same category, not by a long shot.

"Project: Natal"? ... MOVE out of the way.

Wow. You think move is going to be anywhere as near as big as Natal? Do you also think Oreo's are bowing to the competition from Hydrox?

"Milo"? ... The what now?

Pedophiles are an untapped market!

"More price cuts"? ... More price cuts!

Fair enough. Sony has more wiggle room in price dropping. However, MS made more profit in the last year, on just Windows 7 sales, than Sony's entire business will this year. So price cuts are always an option.

"Possible revision of the 360 with a system upgrade"? I just hope they won't be taking any other features away.

Huh? What makes you think they would? Sony's the only one to be setting that precedent this gen.

Oh and ... ditto for the PS3.

 



Relias on 29 April 2010

Basically by the end of this Gen... (Unless it's 5 years Gen gouing by Microsoft if it's 10 years going by all 3 systems) The Plastation 3 will be the number 2 system. Unless Nintendo kills the Wii at which point pending on the years of gap (If the Wii were to be discontinued today for instance) And the PS3 sticks to the ten year plan.... The PS3 will be the number 1 system by the right of sticking in there longer.... (Just saying there is a slim possibility of that happening but it would take a 3-4 year differentual most likely) Haven't looked at the current numbers.



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hduser on 29 April 2010

How would this comparison work if 360 stops selling long before PS3? Would we lump the next generation of the 360 in with the current 360 numbers? Technically, the PS3 will out live the 360 and probably surpass the 360 sales # but it'll be meaningless if MS counters with a say a Xbox 720.