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lightbleeder said:
ssj12 said:
 

thanks for answering that part

@NJ5 - the space will come in handy when we get to the super-HD levels (1440p+). Also it will be used for PC storage.


Why do we need super-HD levels? Is the eye capable of noticing the difference of 1080p and 1440p on a 50" HDTV??


Actually the larger the TV the more noticeable the resolution and you can notice the difference on a 19" monitor for your PC so in the larger scale it will be even more noticeable. 



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Ickalanda said:
lightbleeder said:
ssj12 said:
 

thanks for answering that part

@NJ5 - the space will come in handy when we get to the super-HD levels (1440p+). Also it will be used for PC storage.


Why do we need super-HD levels? Is the eye capable of noticing the difference of 1080p and 1440p on a 50" HDTV??


Actually the larger the TV the more noticeable the resolution and you can notice the difference on a 19" monitor for your PC so in the larger scale it will be even more noticeable.


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Ickalanda said:
lightbleeder said:
ssj12 said:
 

thanks for answering that part

@NJ5 - the space will come in handy when we get to the super-HD levels (1440p+). Also it will be used for PC storage.


Why do we need super-HD levels? Is the eye capable of noticing the difference of 1080p and 1440p on a 50" HDTV??


Actually the larger the TV the more noticeable the resolution and you can notice the difference on a 19" monitor for your PC so in the larger scale it will be even more noticeable. 


 no, I figure the more pixels there are the smaller the details they can fit. Just like PC's. Remember original resolution was like 640 x 480 for a 15.4" screen. Now laptop screens that are 15.4 are up to 1680 x 1050. Its the same thing with a 52" TV the higher the resolution (and number od pixels) the more detail will be able to be put and will be noticable.



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ssj12 said:
Ickalanda said:
lightbleeder said:
ssj12 said:
 

thanks for answering that part

@NJ5 - the space will come in handy when we get to the super-HD levels (1440p+). Also it will be used for PC storage.


Why do we need super-HD levels? Is the eye capable of noticing the difference of 1080p and 1440p on a 50" HDTV??


Actually the larger the TV the more noticeable the resolution and you can notice the difference on a 19" monitor for your PC so in the larger scale it will be even more noticeable.


no, I figure the more pixels there are the smaller the details they can fit. Just like PC's. Remember original resolution was like 640 x 480 for a 15.4" screen. Now laptop screens that are 15.4 are up to 1680 x 1050. Its the same thing with a 52" TV the higher the resolution (and number od pixels) the more detail will be able to be put and will be noticable.


Not sure if this was targeted at me but thats what I was talking about.  Because the guy said will you even be able to notice the difference on a 50" HD TV and I said well you can notice it on a PC Monitor and since a 50" TV is much larger than my 19" monitor the pixels will be bigger and so the pixels shrinking in size will be noticeable.



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Ickalanda said:
ssj12 said:
Ickalanda said:
lightbleeder said:
ssj12 said:
 

thanks for answering that part

@NJ5 - the space will come in handy when we get to the super-HD levels (1440p+). Also it will be used for PC storage.


Why do we need super-HD levels? Is the eye capable of noticing the difference of 1080p and 1440p on a 50" HDTV??


Actually the larger the TV the more noticeable the resolution and you can notice the difference on a 19" monitor for your PC so in the larger scale it will be even more noticeable.


no, I figure the more pixels there are the smaller the details they can fit. Just like PC's. Remember original resolution was like 640 x 480 for a 15.4" screen. Now laptop screens that are 15.4 are up to 1680 x 1050. Its the same thing with a 52" TV the higher the resolution (and number od pixels) the more detail will be able to be put and will be noticable.


Not sure if this was targeted at me but thats what I was talking about.  Because the guy said will you even be able to notice the difference on a 50" HD TV and I said well you can notice it on a PC Monitor and since a 50" TV is much larger than my 19" monitor the pixels will be bigger and so the pixels shrinking in size will be noticeable.


 ya.. misread what you said..

 

could you imaging a TV with a 5k+ resolution? my god that would be beautiful. 



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I see no reason for this to be a big deal. Sony, Panasonic, Samsung, Hitatchi, and TDK will not sit around long before announcing they have accepted the 100GB discs. Blu-ray is the better format and their is no getting around it. A stalemate will not work as retail will not allow it. One of these formats has to become the standard, because their is not enough shelf space to have 2 versions of every film.

To thouse that are questioning the nessecity of all of this room. Lord of the Rings: Return of the King was 34GB at 19Mb/s data rates when brodcast on HDTV. Blu-ray has data rates upto 48Mb/s so you would be looking at around 75GB to get that movie in Blu quality throught. I beleive that New Line is waiting for the 100GB Blu-ray to get the go ahead then they will announces the Trilogy in HD.

As far as the video game sector goes, I have a strong feeling that FFXIII will be one of a few games this gen that is on a 100GB Blu-ray disc.



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Retailers wont allow there to be more than one standard? Then why are there more than one console per generation? There are 9 different madden 08's cause there is no standard system, Wii, Xbox, Xbox360, PS3, PS2, Gamecube, PSP DS, GBA. And retailers carried all versions of it.
Like i said before 2 formats is by far the best situation for consumers. Multiple formats lead to increased competition thus better prices and promos.
I really don't want to start a whole blu ray vs hd dvd arguement but claiming blu ray is the better format with nothing to back up your statement is useless. Each have their pros and cons.



Summaro400ex said:
Retailers wont allow there to be more than one standard? Then why are there more than one console per generation? There are 9 different madden 08's cause there is no standard system, Wii, Xbox, Xbox360, PS3, PS2, Gamecube, PSP DS, GBA. And retailers carried all versions of it.
Like i said before 2 formats is by far the best situation for consumers. Multiple formats lead to increased competition thus better prices and promos.
I really don't want to start a whole blu ray vs hd dvd arguement but claiming blu ray is the better format with nothing to back up your statement is useless. Each have their pros and cons.

 go to best buy, take a pittle picture with your cell phone or camera....show me how many racks they have for cinema, for DVD only, then wander over to the videogame secton, show me how big their section is for Wii, PS2, 360, PS3, DS, PSP.....

Youre comparing two different markets as if they are synonymous. Its not even comparable.



Summaro400ex said:
Retailers wont allow there to be more than one standard? Then why are there more than one console per generation? There are 9 different madden 08's cause there is no standard system, Wii, Xbox, Xbox360, PS3, PS2, Gamecube, PSP DS, GBA. And retailers carried all versions of it.
Like i said before 2 formats is by far the best situation for consumers. Multiple formats lead to increased competition thus better prices and promos.
I really don't want to start a whole blu ray vs hd dvd arguement but claiming blu ray is the better format with nothing to back up your statement is useless. Each have their pros and cons.

BD - Space in reality, not theory

BD - Bitrate limits for uncompressed audio and video simaltaneous transfer

BD - Studio support

BD - CE support

BD - Retail space

HD DVD - interactive menus for home cinema

HD DVD - Ethernet port standard on each player

 

Price has nothing to do with the products quality or content available on said product.....when discussing the merits of each format, BD blows HD DVD out of the water



NJ5 said:
Can existing players read these discs with just a firmware update?

 

It is believed so.  From what I understand, the smaller gapping, which is how they get an extra 2 GB per layer, actually increases the readability of the discs.  Also, there is no known reason all existing players on the market would be unable to read a third layer with a firmware update.  That firmware update could even be included on the 51GB discs.

If Sony intended to release larger BDs, they'd have submitted a specification at some point.  As it is, it looks like HD-DVD will have the storage advantage.