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thelifatree on 18 April 2010
Qays said:
Interestingly enough XIII's battle system has been almost universally well-received. It just wasn't enough to redeem a game compromised in so many other ways. Just like Square to take one step forward and two steps back.

 

 

I will agree with you... (as I hope you think we've had a somewhat civilized discussion.)

I think they took one step forward and one step backed and really liked it... (but to me this is better than doing nothing at all as, hopefully... the next install ment it will fix the step back)

And you think it took one step forward and two step backs. Which is a fine justified opinion being's all your views make sense.


So do you think this equals... end discussion :P

 

And to the people saying the OP was a joke, that's fine, but this thread is obviously offtopic by now.



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Solid_Snake4RD on 18 April 2010
Stanislav.Ten said:
Taking the cost of the port into account, surely it cannot cost anywhere as much as £40,000,000 - $60,000,000, either way you look at it, SE has MADE profit, profit = not a flop. Also taking it into account that MS has pretty much did the advertising for SE, even more profits :/

just making a profit just doesn't do it,its how much you make.

 

and compared to what they have made in the past,it was a flop.

 

I am not saying its a flop compared to normal titles but compared to FF series it is



thelifatree on 18 April 2010
Solid_Snake4RD said:
Stanislav.Ten said:
Taking the cost of the port into account, surely it cannot cost anywhere as much as £40,000,000 - $60,000,000, either way you look at it, SE has MADE profit, profit = not a flop. Also taking it into account that MS has pretty much did the advertising for SE, even more profits :/

just making a profit just doesn't do it,its how much you make.

 

and compared to what they have made in the past,it was a flop.

 

I am not saying its a flop compared to normal titles but compared to FF series it is

the games are also priced at 60 instead of 50 which probably would cover the difference in dev costs

And it is still likely to outsell FFIX and FFXII with pricedrops and everything beings its unfair to compare a game thats been out 1 month and outsold 12 during the first month and probably IX

FFXIII is a black sheep like FFIX and FFXII if you want to call those flops, then fine FFXIII is a flop



Solid_Snake4RD on 18 April 2010
thelifatree said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
thelifatree said:
Kenryoku_Maxis said:
thelifatree said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
thelifatree said:
500 K =/= Flop FF TOTAL 1.3 MILL NA Most ever by a FF first month

While the legs will probably suck

no part of this was a flop

a big first first month doesn't mean anything,it the game sales drop dead after that.

 

and we are talking about Final Fanatasy,one of the few eite franchises out there.Comparing to that level,it was a flop not only on 360 but also on PS3

How is it a flop yet. It has the highest FF numbers month 1

 

month 2 hasn't happend yet. You can guess that the second month will flop, or trend, but you can't call it a flop yet.

First off, I highly doubt this is the highest first month sales for a Final Fantasy game, if you're referring to outside of Japan.  That would probably go to FFVIII or FFX.  We just don't have the numbers for those games outside of Japan.  However, both FFVIII and X smashed the first months sales of FFXIII by a longshot in Japan, and Americas sales weren't that much different by comparison (just about a million less).  With FFVIII taking the clear lead with 2.5m in the first week in Japan alone.  I remember FFX being the most anticipated and pre-ordered game for the PS2 upon its relelase as well.  Can't say the same about FFXIII now...

Second of all, the reason people are hesitant to think the game will continue to sell well is because FFXIII is on the systems notorious for having 'major' releases that are front loaded that have no legs.  Mostly because the HD consoles are the 'high end' consoles which have the smaller userbase and people usually buy games based on hype.

This isn't the days of the PSX or PS2 where Final Fantasy is riding on the success of being both one of the top 3 franchises AND on the most popular system.  Now it not only has competition, but also is on the HD systems.

Alright It was first week article released by SE I was mistaken, but I don't see how anyone could possibly consider FFXIII a flop unless they consider a Flop (Saleswise not gameplay wise)

from VGC

FFXII First 4 Weeks PS3 USA 1,049,440 Total JapanJP 2,193,153

FFXII First 4 Weeks PS3 Others 878085

Total 4,120,678

I believe Xbox 360 is overtracked by a lot by VGC but FFXIII still has more sales than FFXII ... So, it's idiotic to call it a flop, you could say it didn't reach the peak of sales like the last 2 first FF on new generation consoles 7 and 10.

FFXIII First 4 Weeks PS3 USA 884,264 Total Japan 1,850161

FFXIII First 4 Weeks PS3 Others 739,156

FFXIII First 4 Weeks Xbox USA 660,542

FFXIII First 4 Weeks Xbox Others 384,838
Total 4,518,961

Now I know FFXII is not up there with the high selling Franchises of 7,8,X. But it is for sure on Pace for IX (My beloved RPG my names after) and FFXII

don't compare with ff12,compare with ff10 and ff8 and overall sales of ff7,8,10.

 

ff12 basically sold badly cause it was released after ff13's announcement.ff13 noway near the first game on a new console ff sales

Compare it to FFIX which sold less than 12.  All I'm saying is the numbers are no more than say. MGS First game 6 million, MGS2 6, MGS4. 4.6 Does that make metal gear solid 4 a  flop. No. I'm not disagreeing that it didn't perform up to 7,8,10 standards.

Flop is the the Final Fantasy Movie Cost 150 million make 30. FFXIII made mucho money as did MGS4, which probably had similar budgets

FFIX sold less cause it launched near PS2 and FFX was already announced,s release.And why the hell are you comparing MGS which is a niche game and only few people buy it.Also MGS only sold around 1m less than its predecessors,thats not much difference.

 

I am not saying it is a flop compared to other games but according to FF series standards it is.

 

its like if HALO sold just 2m,it would be a flop cause previous halo's have sold alot better.Compare the game to its expections



Solid_Snake4RD on 18 April 2010
thelifatree said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
Stanislav.Ten said:
Taking the cost of the port into account, surely it cannot cost anywhere as much as £40,000,000 - $60,000,000, either way you look at it, SE has MADE profit, profit = not a flop. Also taking it into account that MS has pretty much did the advertising for SE, even more profits :/

just making a profit just doesn't do it,its how much you make.

 

and compared to what they have made in the past,it was a flop.

 

I am not saying its a flop compared to normal titles but compared to FF series it is

the games are also priced at 60 instead of 50 which probably would cover the difference in dev costs

And it is still likely to outsell FFIX and FFXII with pricedrops and everything beings its unfair to compare a game thats been out 1 month and outsold 12 during the first month and probably IX

FFXIII is a black sheep like FFIX and FFXII if you want to call those flops, then fine FFXIII is a flop

i never said it wouldn't sell as much as FF9 and ff12.i fully expect it to do that but for sure it won't do FF7 and FF10 numbers.

 

Also in Japan SQ games have always cost alot more,the starting price is about $80 so they make alot of profit in japan.



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thelifatree on 18 April 2010
Solid_Snake4RD said:
thelifatree said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
thelifatree said:
Kenryoku_Maxis said:
thelifatree said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
thelifatree said:
500 K =/= Flop FF TOTAL 1.3 MILL NA Most ever by a FF first month

While the legs will probably suck

no part of this was a flop

a big first first month doesn't mean anything,it the game sales drop dead after that.

 

and we are talking about Final Fanatasy,one of the few eite franchises out there.Comparing to that level,it was a flop not only on 360 but also on PS3

How is it a flop yet. It has the highest FF numbers month 1

 

month 2 hasn't happend yet. You can guess that the second month will flop, or trend, but you can't call it a flop yet.

First off, I highly doubt this is the highest first month sales for a Final Fantasy game, if you're referring to outside of Japan.  That would probably go to FFVIII or FFX.  We just don't have the numbers for those games outside of Japan.  However, both FFVIII and X smashed the first months sales of FFXIII by a longshot in Japan, and Americas sales weren't that much different by comparison (just about a million less).  With FFVIII taking the clear lead with 2.5m in the first week in Japan alone.  I remember FFX being the most anticipated and pre-ordered game for the PS2 upon its relelase as well.  Can't say the same about FFXIII now...

Second of all, the reason people are hesitant to think the game will continue to sell well is because FFXIII is on the systems notorious for having 'major' releases that are front loaded that have no legs.  Mostly because the HD consoles are the 'high end' consoles which have the smaller userbase and people usually buy games based on hype.

This isn't the days of the PSX or PS2 where Final Fantasy is riding on the success of being both one of the top 3 franchises AND on the most popular system.  Now it not only has competition, but also is on the HD systems.

Alright It was first week article released by SE I was mistaken, but I don't see how anyone could possibly consider FFXIII a flop unless they consider a Flop (Saleswise not gameplay wise)

from VGC

FFXII First 4 Weeks PS3 USA 1,049,440 Total JapanJP 2,193,153

FFXII First 4 Weeks PS3 Others 878085

Total 4,120,678

I believe Xbox 360 is overtracked by a lot by VGC but FFXIII still has more sales than FFXII ... So, it's idiotic to call it a flop, you could say it didn't reach the peak of sales like the last 2 first FF on new generation consoles 7 and 10.

FFXIII First 4 Weeks PS3 USA 884,264 Total Japan 1,850161

FFXIII First 4 Weeks PS3 Others 739,156

FFXIII First 4 Weeks Xbox USA 660,542

FFXIII First 4 Weeks Xbox Others 384,838
Total 4,518,961

Now I know FFXII is not up there with the high selling Franchises of 7,8,X. But it is for sure on Pace for IX (My beloved RPG my names after) and FFXII

don't compare with ff12,compare with ff10 and ff8 and overall sales of ff7,8,10.

 

ff12 basically sold badly cause it was released after ff13's announcement.ff13 noway near the first game on a new console ff sales

Compare it to FFIX which sold less than 12.  All I'm saying is the numbers are no more than say. MGS First game 6 million, MGS2 6, MGS4. 4.6 Does that make metal gear solid 4 a  flop. No. I'm not disagreeing that it didn't perform up to 7,8,10 standards.

Flop is the the Final Fantasy Movie Cost 150 million make 30. FFXIII made mucho money as did MGS4, which probably had similar budgets

FFIX sold less cause it launched near PS2 and FFX was already announced,s release.And why the hell are you comparing MGS which is a niche game and only few people buy it.Also MGS only sold around 1m less than its predecessors,thats not much difference.

 

I am not saying it is a flop compared to other games but according to FF series standards it is.

 

its like if HALO sold just 2m,it would be a flop cause previous halo's have sold alot better.Compare the game to its expections

You're definition of flop, I think is a little harsh, I think a better way to describe it iunderperformed =/= flop so are disagreement might just be on different definitions
A flop to me is like The Final Fantasy Movie Spirits Within (Gorgeous movies yes) where it cost 150 mil. and it made 30 mil netting -120 mil.

Squares Expectations They had 2 different sets at different times by wada, who is a skitzo

At one time he said his goal was to ship 6 million Plus which is realistic and likely going to happen
At another time 2 months later, he said it would outsell seven which is assanine and if that was really his expectation then it was a flop

 

Was Mario Sunshine a Flop to Mario 64, it sold 4 million less?

 

Metal Gear Solid 4 is not a niche game. It cost more money to develop Than every single Final Fantasy But Possibly FF13. Metal Gear Solid 4 with Substance Sold 6.4 Million Copies aMGS4 sold almost 2 million less. That would be the comparison.

FFXIII did not sell just 2 million FF sold 4.7 and is still going. So given that its already ahead of pace of IX and XII. Around 6 million is reasonable. Maybe even 5.5 if you want to be negative That's 2.5 million less that FFX about the same

So if you want to consider MGS4 a flop and FFXIII a flop that's fine.

If you're going to compare FFXIII to the 3 highest selling games in the game franchise 7,8,10, then yes it is a underperformed, If you are going to compare it to the last six games it will end up higher than FFIX and FFXII. If you're going to compare to the whole series... it will probably end up number 4 of 12



Grey21 on 18 April 2010

For a JRPG FF13 was huge on the 360 which mostly has FPS, WRPG, Sport games, Race games and action games. I think it showed Square that there is cefinatly a fanbase for them on the 360 especially now that they are branching out to more western games aswell. They are big and can no longer ignore the xbox.

It also needs to be understood that many people already bought their console before FF13 was announced to be multiplatform. So many people who may have wanted to get a 360 got a PS3 for MGS and FF. Now we know these games can be multiplatform so nextgen a major shift can be expected if Sony once again does something stupid and Microsoft plays its cards right.

You can say what you want about the 360 but the succes it has enjoyed cant be ignored, I mean this is the console people called the next Dreamcast. The PS2 was supposed the annihilate the original xbox, yet the xbox introduced FPS to consoles, WRPG to consoles and gave it online gaming. By now Microsoft has earned the right to be in this market and companies like Square are starting to realize it.



Solid_Snake4RD on 18 April 2010
thelifatree said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
thelifatree said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
thelifatree said:
Kenryoku_Maxis said:
thelifatree said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
thelifatree said:
500 K =/= Flop FF TOTAL 1.3 MILL NA Most ever by a FF first month

While the legs will probably suck

no part of this was a flop

a big first first month doesn't mean anything,it the game sales drop dead after that.

 

and we are talking about Final Fanatasy,one of the few eite franchises out there.Comparing to that level,it was a flop not only on 360 but also on PS3

How is it a flop yet. It has the highest FF numbers month 1

 

month 2 hasn't happend yet. You can guess that the second month will flop, or trend, but you can't call it a flop yet.

First off, I highly doubt this is the highest first month sales for a Final Fantasy game, if you're referring to outside of Japan.  That would probably go to FFVIII or FFX.  We just don't have the numbers for those games outside of Japan.  However, both FFVIII and X smashed the first months sales of FFXIII by a longshot in Japan, and Americas sales weren't that much different by comparison (just about a million less).  With FFVIII taking the clear lead with 2.5m in the first week in Japan alone.  I remember FFX being the most anticipated and pre-ordered game for the PS2 upon its relelase as well.  Can't say the same about FFXIII now...

Second of all, the reason people are hesitant to think the game will continue to sell well is because FFXIII is on the systems notorious for having 'major' releases that are front loaded that have no legs.  Mostly because the HD consoles are the 'high end' consoles which have the smaller userbase and people usually buy games based on hype.

This isn't the days of the PSX or PS2 where Final Fantasy is riding on the success of being both one of the top 3 franchises AND on the most popular system.  Now it not only has competition, but also is on the HD systems.

Alright It was first week article released by SE I was mistaken, but I don't see how anyone could possibly consider FFXIII a flop unless they consider a Flop (Saleswise not gameplay wise)

from VGC

FFXII First 4 Weeks PS3 USA 1,049,440 Total JapanJP 2,193,153

FFXII First 4 Weeks PS3 Others 878085

Total 4,120,678

I believe Xbox 360 is overtracked by a lot by VGC but FFXIII still has more sales than FFXII ... So, it's idiotic to call it a flop, you could say it didn't reach the peak of sales like the last 2 first FF on new generation consoles 7 and 10.

FFXIII First 4 Weeks PS3 USA 884,264 Total Japan 1,850161

FFXIII First 4 Weeks PS3 Others 739,156

FFXIII First 4 Weeks Xbox USA 660,542

FFXIII First 4 Weeks Xbox Others 384,838
Total 4,518,961

Now I know FFXII is not up there with the high selling Franchises of 7,8,X. But it is for sure on Pace for IX (My beloved RPG my names after) and FFXII

don't compare with ff12,compare with ff10 and ff8 and overall sales of ff7,8,10.

 

ff12 basically sold badly cause it was released after ff13's announcement.ff13 noway near the first game on a new console ff sales

Compare it to FFIX which sold less than 12.  All I'm saying is the numbers are no more than say. MGS First game 6 million, MGS2 6, MGS4. 4.6 Does that make metal gear solid 4 a  flop. No. I'm not disagreeing that it didn't perform up to 7,8,10 standards.

Flop is the the Final Fantasy Movie Cost 150 million make 30. FFXIII made mucho money as did MGS4, which probably had similar budgets

FFIX sold less cause it launched near PS2 and FFX was already announced,s release.And why the hell are you comparing MGS which is a niche game and only few people buy it.Also MGS only sold around 1m less than its predecessors,thats not much difference.

 

I am not saying it is a flop compared to other games but according to FF series standards it is.

 

its like if HALO sold just 2m,it would be a flop cause previous halo's have sold alot better.Compare the game to its expections

You're definition of flop, I think is a little harsh, I think a better way to describe it iunderperformed =/= flop so are disagreement might just be on different definitions
A flop to me is like The Final Fantasy Movie Spirits Within (Gorgeous movies yes) where it cost 150 mil. and it made 30 mil netting -120 mil.

Squares Expectations They had 2 different sets at different times by wada, who is a skitzo

At one time he said his goal was to ship 6 million Plus which is realistic and likely going to happen
At another time 2 months later, he said it would outsell seven which is assanine and if that was really his expectation then it was a flop

 

Was Mario Sunshine a Flop to Mario 64, it sold 4 million less?

 

Metal Gear Solid 4 is not a niche game. It cost more money to develop Than every single Final Fantasy But Possibly FF13. Metal Gear Solid 4 with Substance Sold 6.4 Million Copies aMGS4 sold almost 2 million less. That would be the comparison.

FFXIII did not sell just 2 million FF sold 4.7 and is still going. So given that its already ahead of pace of IX and XII. Around 6 million is reasonable. Maybe even 5.5 if you want to be negative That's 2.5 million less that FFX about the same

So if you want to consider MGS4 a flop and FFXIII a flop that's fine.

If you're going to compare FFXIII to the 3 highest selling games in the game franchise 7,8,10, then yes it is a underperformed, If you are going to compare it to the last six games it will end up higher than FFIX and FFXII. If you're going to compare to the whole series... it will probably end up number 4 of 12

just because MGS's budet is high doesn't make it a wide audience game.Niche means it appeals to less people.And don't add substance sales cause MGS4 didn't have an 'existence'.Also MGS is constantly closing in on the 5m mark.

 

Also this gen,software sales are high,assasin's creed had 8m sales on both its games.I am expecting it to hit 5.5-6m but according to its expectation as all previous first FF games on a new console which have had big hype sold well,this should have too.

 

some more time on this site will make your predictions better



thelifatree on 18 April 2010
Solid_Snake4RD said:
thelifatree said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
thelifatree said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
thelifatree said:
Kenryoku_Maxis said:
thelifatree said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
thelifatree said:
500 K =/= Flop FF TOTAL 1.3 MILL NA Most ever by a FF first month

While the legs will probably suck

no part of this was a flop

a big first first month doesn't mean anything,it the game sales drop dead after that.

 

and we are talking about Final Fanatasy,one of the few eite franchises out there.Comparing to that level,it was a flop not only on 360 but also on PS3

How is it a flop yet. It has the highest FF numbers month 1

 

month 2 hasn't happend yet. You can guess that the second month will flop, or trend, but you can't call it a flop yet.

First off, I highly doubt this is the highest first month sales for a Final Fantasy game, if you're referring to outside of Japan.  That would probably go to FFVIII or FFX.  We just don't have the numbers for those games outside of Japan.  However, both FFVIII and X smashed the first months sales of FFXIII by a longshot in Japan, and Americas sales weren't that much different by comparison (just about a million less).  With FFVIII taking the clear lead with 2.5m in the first week in Japan alone.  I remember FFX being the most anticipated and pre-ordered game for the PS2 upon its relelase as well.  Can't say the same about FFXIII now...

Second of all, the reason people are hesitant to think the game will continue to sell well is because FFXIII is on the systems notorious for having 'major' releases that are front loaded that have no legs.  Mostly because the HD consoles are the 'high end' consoles which have the smaller userbase and people usually buy games based on hype.

This isn't the days of the PSX or PS2 where Final Fantasy is riding on the success of being both one of the top 3 franchises AND on the most popular system.  Now it not only has competition, but also is on the HD systems.

Alright It was first week article released by SE I was mistaken, but I don't see how anyone could possibly consider FFXIII a flop unless they consider a Flop (Saleswise not gameplay wise)

from VGC

FFXII First 4 Weeks PS3 USA 1,049,440 Total JapanJP 2,193,153

FFXII First 4 Weeks PS3 Others 878085

Total 4,120,678

I believe Xbox 360 is overtracked by a lot by VGC but FFXIII still has more sales than FFXII ... So, it's idiotic to call it a flop, you could say it didn't reach the peak of sales like the last 2 first FF on new generation consoles 7 and 10.

FFXIII First 4 Weeks PS3 USA 884,264 Total Japan 1,850161

FFXIII First 4 Weeks PS3 Others 739,156

FFXIII First 4 Weeks Xbox USA 660,542

FFXIII First 4 Weeks Xbox Others 384,838
Total 4,518,961

Now I know FFXII is not up there with the high selling Franchises of 7,8,X. But it is for sure on Pace for IX (My beloved RPG my names after) and FFXII

don't compare with ff12,compare with ff10 and ff8 and overall sales of ff7,8,10.

 

ff12 basically sold badly cause it was released after ff13's announcement.ff13 noway near the first game on a new console ff sales

Compare it to FFIX which sold less than 12.  All I'm saying is the numbers are no more than say. MGS First game 6 million, MGS2 6, MGS4. 4.6 Does that make metal gear solid 4 a  flop. No. I'm not disagreeing that it didn't perform up to 7,8,10 standards.

Flop is the the Final Fantasy Movie Cost 150 million make 30. FFXIII made mucho money as did MGS4, which probably had similar budgets

FFIX sold less cause it launched near PS2 and FFX was already announced,s release.And why the hell are you comparing MGS which is a niche game and only few people buy it.Also MGS only sold around 1m less than its predecessors,thats not much difference.

 

I am not saying it is a flop compared to other games but according to FF series standards it is.

 

its like if HALO sold just 2m,it would be a flop cause previous halo's have sold alot better.Compare the game to its expections

You're definition of flop, I think is a little harsh, I think a better way to describe it iunderperformed =/= flop so are disagreement might just be on different definitions
A flop to me is like The Final Fantasy Movie Spirits Within (Gorgeous movies yes) where it cost 150 mil. and it made 30 mil netting -120 mil.

Squares Expectations They had 2 different sets at different times by wada, who is a skitzo

At one time he said his goal was to ship 6 million Plus which is realistic and likely going to happen
At another time 2 months later, he said it would outsell seven which is assanine and if that was really his expectation then it was a flop

 

Was Mario Sunshine a Flop to Mario 64, it sold 4 million less?

 

Metal Gear Solid 4 is not a niche game. It cost more money to develop Than every single Final Fantasy But Possibly FF13. Metal Gear Solid 4 with Substance Sold 6.4 Million Copies aMGS4 sold almost 2 million less. That would be the comparison.

FFXIII did not sell just 2 million FF sold 4.7 and is still going. So given that its already ahead of pace of IX and XII. Around 6 million is reasonable. Maybe even 5.5 if you want to be negative That's 2.5 million less that FFX about the same

So if you want to consider MGS4 a flop and FFXIII a flop that's fine.

If you're going to compare FFXIII to the 3 highest selling games in the game franchise 7,8,10, then yes it is a underperformed, If you are going to compare it to the last six games it will end up higher than FFIX and FFXII. If you're going to compare to the whole series... it will probably end up number 4 of 12

just because MGS's budet is high doesn't make it a wide audience game.Niche means it appeals to less people.And don't add substance sales cause MGS4 didn't have an 'existence'.Also MGS is constantly closing in on the 5m mark.

 

Also this gen,software sales are high,assasin's creed had 8m sales on both its games.I am expecting it to hit 5.5-6m but according to its expectation as all previous first FF games on a new console which have had big hype sold well,this should have too.

 

some more time on this site will make your predictions better

What you were expecting, doesn't mean anything, it just means it didn't meet your expectations

"Definition of flop: to be a complete failure; fail: Ex The play flopped dismally."You used the wrong word.

Your also ommitting 2 consoles the SNES and the NES. Anyone can mess around and make the data fit however they want including me or you.



Solid_Snake4RD on 18 April 2010
thelifatree said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
thelifatree said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
thelifatree said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
thelifatree said:
Kenryoku_Maxis said:
thelifatree said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
thelifatree said:
500 K =/= Flop FF TOTAL 1.3 MILL NA Most ever by a FF first month

While the legs will probably suck

no part of this was a flop

a big first first month doesn't mean anything,it the game sales drop dead after that.

 

and we are talking about Final Fanatasy,one of the few eite franchises out there.Comparing to that level,it was a flop not only on 360 but also on PS3

How is it a flop yet. It has the highest FF numbers month 1

 

month 2 hasn't happend yet. You can guess that the second month will flop, or trend, but you can't call it a flop yet.

First off, I highly doubt this is the highest first month sales for a Final Fantasy game, if you're referring to outside of Japan.  That would probably go to FFVIII or FFX.  We just don't have the numbers for those games outside of Japan.  However, both FFVIII and X smashed the first months sales of FFXIII by a longshot in Japan, and Americas sales weren't that much different by comparison (just about a million less).  With FFVIII taking the clear lead with 2.5m in the first week in Japan alone.  I remember FFX being the most anticipated and pre-ordered game for the PS2 upon its relelase as well.  Can't say the same about FFXIII now...

Second of all, the reason people are hesitant to think the game will continue to sell well is because FFXIII is on the systems notorious for having 'major' releases that are front loaded that have no legs.  Mostly because the HD consoles are the 'high end' consoles which have the smaller userbase and people usually buy games based on hype.

This isn't the days of the PSX or PS2 where Final Fantasy is riding on the success of being both one of the top 3 franchises AND on the most popular system.  Now it not only has competition, but also is on the HD systems.

Alright It was first week article released by SE I was mistaken, but I don't see how anyone could possibly consider FFXIII a flop unless they consider a Flop (Saleswise not gameplay wise)

from VGC

FFXII First 4 Weeks PS3 USA 1,049,440 Total JapanJP 2,193,153

FFXII First 4 Weeks PS3 Others 878085

Total 4,120,678

I believe Xbox 360 is overtracked by a lot by VGC but FFXIII still has more sales than FFXII ... So, it's idiotic to call it a flop, you could say it didn't reach the peak of sales like the last 2 first FF on new generation consoles 7 and 10.

FFXIII First 4 Weeks PS3 USA 884,264 Total Japan 1,850161

FFXIII First 4 Weeks PS3 Others 739,156

FFXIII First 4 Weeks Xbox USA 660,542

FFXIII First 4 Weeks Xbox Others 384,838
Total 4,518,961

Now I know FFXII is not up there with the high selling Franchises of 7,8,X. But it is for sure on Pace for IX (My beloved RPG my names after) and FFXII

don't compare with ff12,compare with ff10 and ff8 and overall sales of ff7,8,10.

 

ff12 basically sold badly cause it was released after ff13's announcement.ff13 noway near the first game on a new console ff sales

Compare it to FFIX which sold less than 12.  All I'm saying is the numbers are no more than say. MGS First game 6 million, MGS2 6, MGS4. 4.6 Does that make metal gear solid 4 a  flop. No. I'm not disagreeing that it didn't perform up to 7,8,10 standards.

Flop is the the Final Fantasy Movie Cost 150 million make 30. FFXIII made mucho money as did MGS4, which probably had similar budgets

FFIX sold less cause it launched near PS2 and FFX was already announced,s release.And why the hell are you comparing MGS which is a niche game and only few people buy it.Also MGS only sold around 1m less than its predecessors,thats not much difference.

 

I am not saying it is a flop compared to other games but according to FF series standards it is.

 

its like if HALO sold just 2m,it would be a flop cause previous halo's have sold alot better.Compare the game to its expections

You're definition of flop, I think is a little harsh, I think a better way to describe it iunderperformed =/= flop so are disagreement might just be on different definitions
A flop to me is like The Final Fantasy Movie Spirits Within (Gorgeous movies yes) where it cost 150 mil. and it made 30 mil netting -120 mil.

Squares Expectations They had 2 different sets at different times by wada, who is a skitzo

At one time he said his goal was to ship 6 million Plus which is realistic and likely going to happen
At another time 2 months later, he said it would outsell seven which is assanine and if that was really his expectation then it was a flop

 

Was Mario Sunshine a Flop to Mario 64, it sold 4 million less?

 

Metal Gear Solid 4 is not a niche game. It cost more money to develop Than every single Final Fantasy But Possibly FF13. Metal Gear Solid 4 with Substance Sold 6.4 Million Copies aMGS4 sold almost 2 million less. That would be the comparison.

FFXIII did not sell just 2 million FF sold 4.7 and is still going. So given that its already ahead of pace of IX and XII. Around 6 million is reasonable. Maybe even 5.5 if you want to be negative That's 2.5 million less that FFX about the same

So if you want to consider MGS4 a flop and FFXIII a flop that's fine.

If you're going to compare FFXIII to the 3 highest selling games in the game franchise 7,8,10, then yes it is a underperformed, If you are going to compare it to the last six games it will end up higher than FFIX and FFXII. If you're going to compare to the whole series... it will probably end up number 4 of 12

just because MGS's budet is high doesn't make it a wide audience game.Niche means it appeals to less people.And don't add substance sales cause MGS4 didn't have an 'existence'.Also MGS is constantly closing in on the 5m mark.

 

Also this gen,software sales are high,assasin's creed had 8m sales on both its games.I am expecting it to hit 5.5-6m but according to its expectation as all previous first FF games on a new console which have had big hype sold well,this should have too.

 

some more time on this site will make your predictions better

What you were expecting, doesn't mean anything, it just means it didn't meet your expectations

"Definition of flop: to be a complete failure; fail: Ex The play flopped dismally."You used the wrong word.

Your also ommitting 2 consoles the SNES and the NES. Anyone can mess around and make the data fit however they want including me or you.

i am comparing to FF series's high if you wanna comapre it with  games like splinter,killzone,its ur choice.

 

and by your means if halo sold 2m and made a profit,it would be a hit wouln't it.