where people go to school is pretty much irrelevant to whether or not they can be PM/MP, though obviously, if you want more people in politics from "the real world", which im assuming people mean to be "normal" or "average" background people, then Eaton is probably not the best place to look for them.

I dislike Cameron because I think he comes off as very smug and arrogant, I also disagree with many of his (or his party if you prefer) policies.

Well, despite misunderstanding what I am trying (and perhaps failing) to say, I appreciate that you took the time to read it.

Firstly, I think that what is going on the real world for people is war, starvation, suffering, confusion, joy, happiness, love, hatred, depression, pressure, poverty, wealth and so on. So, yeah, I have a pretty good idea that a lot of people are ok and many, many others are not. I understand that she was worried by immigration and I can see why she would. Personally I would put up the view, the way the world is organised into haves and have-nots is going to lead to people moving to where the wealth is. Putting up barriers appears to be a way to hold on to that wealth at the expense of others.

Your comments about Greece suggest that you basically accept the capitalist world-view that we must compete and that greed and self-interest must be the way of the human, when I see that as propaganda for the current system. I think scarcity is a product of the system and that it can be overcome if we start to look beyond the profit motivation, but I don't know, I might be wrong and we will always be at each other's throats.

I agree that Brown is out of order in once sense. She had actually listened to what he said and he, perhaps, had got her on board, you are right, but he was also correct in that she had an opinion about Polish people that could be portrayed accurately as bigoted. You can disagree with this if you wish, but it is factually correct because it didn't take into account other perspectives on the issue, although to be a true bigot you would have to stick with it. The point of my article is that there is no true opinion. There are but many perspectives and you choose to hold to yours, but it doesn't make it true. Some perspectives are better evidenced than others, but there is always, always counter-evidence and so the dialogue of opposition and combat continues.

Much argument is caused by poor communication and I am not convinced I have clearly expressed myself here, but maybe it is a start of a better dialogue and perhaps I ought to revisit the essay entry as it was not satire, it was my attempt to express my frustration at the whole political process and the in-built mechanisms of defend and attack and the reenforcement of prejudice and constant opposition. I certainly wasn't defending Brown. In fact I said (at least hoped to say) the motivation of his words were to defend his government.

I am, therefore, thinking you may have completely misunderstood what I was saying or I have not been clear enough.

Can I ask you what you thought the main point of the writing was? Hopefully then we can get some clarity. I am off to bed, but will revisit the thread. Very tired!

upper class, heck, ive read stuff that says he is even more upper class than Cameron

like I said, I dont judge people on that, let alone politicians, I dont care were they were educated or how much money there parents gave them, if they are a good person and have policies I agree with, thats what matters to me.

i had a libdem person ring me earlier in the evening,

and he asked me who i was voting for,and i said probably some independant and he said there aren't any,so i said well there must be some,he said what you mean ukip,i said well no probably not i'll,before i could finish he said well you vote for one of them and you vote for tory and put the phone down,

charming i thought,

No I didn't support Blair... I was 6 when he is elected. 

No I dislike Mandleson a lot. 

I'm not a fan of Clegg either. I prefer Vince Cable. I would definitely be voting Lib Dem if Cable was leader. With Clegg as leader I'm still not sure. 

I definitely don't dislike cameron just because of his background. I hate his policies, the way he speaks, the smarmy smile (mainly George Osborne), his arrogance, his stupid youtube videos of him doing the washing up, his elitism, he's only interested in himself, his style over substance approach... I could go on. 

I certainly do not envy him. In fact I have told myself not to turn into someone like him. 

thats pretty bad

but on the subject of UKIP http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/election_2010/8648195.stm

@kowen too

wow i didn't realise he had that background at all,sounds like a lizard elite(lol),

if he gets the TV right he could be in after the brown gaff,whatever people want/like to think,immigrtion is a big issue with alot of voters and that fallout will hurt brown in the end,calling an old working class lady a bigot,not clever

i saw on newsnight that the murdoch media had purposely ignored the libdems for the last however many years,they were asked by someone which i didn't quite hear,interesting really,did anyone else hear/read that comment

While I'm here, I'm just gonna publish the front page of the site again as it looks quite pretty thanks to my friend and gives more of a perspective on the site. It's not really a satire site, though it has some of that, it's an ideas site.

Anyway, I hope to add a comment on article bit so we can have direct responses to what is said. I will edit the article a little more in order to clarify some of the points I was hoping to raise and any criticism is useful (something Gordon ought to remember - though it is difficult not too occasionally get cross when people say things and so in one way I can understand why he said what he did - he probably gets frustrated at constantly having to explain his view - just like any of the others would - we are only human after all)

yes well ukip are what the tories used to be really,but i don't want labour so i have to vote lib or tory otherwise it's a waste,

but i live in a part of devon where labour never get in anyway,i do think our system is fundamentally flawed somehow as it always depends on whether certain areas vote labour or tory,it's same old battlegrounds and if they don't change it soon i think the extreme parties will get alot more foothold in england,

a big factor is scotland if they all vote for the SNP,then labour are screwed i think,may even finish them off,what do you think

Damn I need my bed you bugger.

It's difficult not to get cynical. However, I still see the leaders as human that do have beliefs and want, deep down, to help people. I think the system and over reliance on institutions creates this defense/attack mechanism, as does too much attachment to a personal ideology and identity. Identity is a shifting thing, like life itself. The trouble is that people get so deep into their own personal battles that the big picture is missed out. I despise the way the media has covered the election. It has been horrible.

The soviet union was a joke of a nation, I agree on that. It was basically a slightly different version of the capitalistish system we have now.

My perspective is an idealistic one, I am well aware of that, but as I said in the limits of national government essay, it is something that needs to be communicated. I don't want an EU/America/China superbloc system as it continues the current world system of division and competition based on scarcity. Entrenched interests exploit these divisions and are holding back progress based on the profit system.

It's all a bit much to discuss on a thread. My views are still ever-changing and I'm so tired that I am liable to make errors in explanation. So I'll leave it there for now.

Can I just ask you if you can clarify any areas where I need to rewrite stuff so my actual view isn't obscured.