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kowenicki said:

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kowenicki said:

bazmeistergen said:
Meanwhile, thousands of bankers are raking in the cash.

This whole 'bigot' thing is blown out of proportion by a media obsessed with gossip and an inability to provide some element of discussion without making it about 'winning'

Just wrote this if anyone cares to read it:

http://www.spacemag.org/about/political-campaigns

This discussion we are having here basically accepts the status quo and is looking at tinkering with something that has clearly failed. While countries collapse others are making a packet and for no moral reason. I think we need to look at how the world is organised and come up with solutions from outside the system... a new dialogue.

Forgive me, but I am sorry to say your blog (satirical or not) portrays an ignorance and inability to listen to what was said and what is going on in the world for real people.

There was no bigotry of any kind.  Brown is out of order... simple as that. No spin or excuse can change that - the end.

Also... yes bankers have raked in the cash the last few moinths, as a result.... so have the treasury.  £5bn in bonuses in the city in the 1st quarter means... £2.5bn in taxes.

Bankers raking in the cash? - bigotry? yes - ignorance? you bet.

New dialogue, new ways?  Nah.. countries like Greece and others are on the take imo, taking an easy ride on the tails of wealthier nations... enougn is enough.  Greece and the like will only get stronger by competing, not by being spoon fed.  Europe is fat and lazy and full of beurocratic talking shops deciding whats best for the minions.  It's all bollocks.  And it makes me angry.

 

Well, despite misunderstanding what I am trying (and perhaps failing) to say, I appreciate that you took the time to read it.

Firstly, I think that what is going on the real world for people is war, starvation, suffering, confusion, joy, happiness, love, hatred, depression, pressure, poverty, wealth and so on. So, yeah, I have a pretty good idea that a lot of people are ok and many, many others are not. I understand that she was worried by immigration and I can see why she would. Personally I would put up the view, the way the world is organised into haves and have-nots is going to lead to people moving to where the wealth is. Putting up barriers appears to be a way to hold on to that wealth at the expense of others.

Your comments about Greece suggest that you basically accept the capitalist world-view that we must compete and that greed and self-interest must be the way of the human, when I see that as propaganda for the current system. I think scarcity is a product of the system and that it can be overcome if we start to look beyond the profit motivation, but I don't know, I might be wrong and we will always be at each other's throats.

I agree that Brown is out of order in once sense. She had actually listened to what he said and perhaps got her on board, you are right, but he was also correct in that she had an opinion about Polish people that could be portrayed accurately as bigoted. You can disagree with this if you wish, but it is factually correct because it didn't take into account other perspectives on the issue. The point of my article is that there is no true opinion. There are but many perspectives and you choose to hold to yours, but it doesn't make it true. Some perspectives are better evidenced than others, but there is always, always counter-evidence and so the dialogue of opposition and combat continues.

Much argument is caused by poor communication and I am not convinced I have clearly expressed myself here, but maybe it is a start of a better dialogue and perhaps I ought to revisit the essay entry as it was not satire, it was my attempt to express my frustration at the whole political process and the in-built mechanisms of defend and attack and the reenforcement of prejudice and constant opposition.

We are of a similar age... and yes I grow more cynical and tired day by day of the current political system.  I'm sick of our 'belief-less' politicians and graduates moving straight to politics as a career choice.  Give me Thatcher and Kinnock any day... at least they had the strength of their convictions.

But my conclusion is a bit different to yours...

I 'fought' to be where I am...and I am frustrated that others cant or wont do the same.  it seems that modern governments dont want us to make our own mistakes and improve our lot, government is now too big and too invasive.

I fail to understand why, after the fall of the CCCP, we immediately set about constructing a new gegraphical and economic monster. 

All around europe countries were breaking apart into their older constituent parts and finding their old identity and here we are throwing all back together, neutering it and controlling them all over again.

Greece is now at the mercy of bigger and wealthier nations... I dont think they like being in this position and for all the benefits they have had - cash providing nice smooth roads and shiny airports - now find themselves powerless.  So have we helped them really? just ensured they tow the euro party line to ensure repeat funding? or worse have we diminshed their ability to control their own destiny... which for a nation is humiliating and destructive.

Damn I need my bed you bugger.

It's difficult not to get cynical. However, I still see the leaders as human that do have beliefs and want, deep down, to help people. I think the system and over reliance on institutions creates this defense/attack mechanism, as does too much attachment to a personal ideology and identity. Identity is a shifting thing, like life itself. The trouble is that people get so deep into their own personal battles that the big picture is missed out. I despise the way the media has covered the election. It has been horrible.

The soviet union was a joke of a nation, I agree on that. It was basically a slightly different version of the capitalistish system we have now.

My perspective is an idealistic one, I am well aware of that, but as I said in the limits of national government essay, it is something that needs to be communicated. I don't want an EU/America/China superbloc system as it continues the current world system of division and competition based on scarcity. Entrenched interests exploit these divisions and are holding back progress based on the profit system.

It's all a bit much to discuss on a thread. My views are still ever-changing and I'm so tired that I am liable to make errors in explanation. So I'll leave it there for now.

Can I just ask you if you can clarify any areas where I need to rewrite stuff so my actual view isn't obscured.