omg this is still going on?
Khuutra said:
I'm operating by the rules you set up. Still. I apologize. There has been a failure in communication, and that's my fault. I'm drawing the abilities of both parties from "canon". What "canon" means here is that the narrative of the games is taken as law for defining their abilities - the games themselves have the final say-so, but only so far as it operates within canon. Kratos does not die when glitching off of a path. Link, similarly, is not invincible and able to use all of his items while riding his horse. The thing about assuming "canon" here is that we give the characters all the items they can use within the narrative of the game - all of Kratos's weapons are fully upgraded, he's found all the secret chests and things, he's carrying around the godly possessions as trophies. Same with Link: he's got all his upgrades, all his optional weapons, on and on. But. But but but but but but. All of this operates within the story of the game. In the story of the game, Kratos doesn't use the godly possessions, just like he doesn't run around in the body of Athena or Hercules. Just like Link doesn't have the experience of beating the second quest in LoZ, because that's not canon. In the story of the game, Kratos isn't able to use the godly possessions, or they don't have any magical effects for him. If they did, the story would have gone very differently. Do you see what I mean, now? |
I have always seen what you mean. But I don't agree with your assumptions. I don't see why Kratos wouldn't select in using the items he has gained. You are taking developers who paced the game and balanced it too literally. And that's what I have been saying from the get go. This way I have said in one of the very first posts when you entered the thread that though it isn't logical to have 2 fictional characters fighting there still needs to be logic applied...
pizzahut451 said:
you see, thats what i tought at first, but than you mentioned golden gautlets even though i said sword and shield ONLY. if link can use golden gautlets than kratos can use blade of olympus.
Also you fail the see the big diffrence between Kratos and Link. They are from 2 totally diffrent worlds. Kratos's world is much more brutal and dangerous. That means if Link can defeat entire army of enemies in a Zelda game, he probably couldnt pass first 5 enemies in GOW3. Especially if he uses sword and shield only. |
Kratos world is much more Brutal... it's much LESS dangerous though. The powerlevels are actually quite... low.
Kratos is the one would would struggle if you switched worlds.
| letsdance said: I have always seen what you mean. But I don't agree with your assumptions. I don't see why Kratos wouldn't select in using the items he has gained. You are taking developers who paced the game and balanced it too literally. And that's what I have been saying from the get go. This way I have said in one of the very first posts when you entered the thread that though it isn't logical to have 2 fictional characters fighting there still needs to be logic applied... |
If Kratos can't use the items within the narrative of the game, that's all there is. Unless you put forth that Kratos should be able to use the Athena skin, too?
Kratos cannot use those items within the story of the game. How do you propose to get around that? You can't just ignore it.
Khuutra said:
I'm pretty sure "Hercules" is Roman rather than English, but I knew that Hercules and Heracles refers to the same person. What about it? |
Correct. Hercules it the english word for Heracles in the same way Mars is the English word for Ares.
It isn't.
| letsdance said: Sharky - trust me... I already mentioned that... they ignore logic. Khuutra - I'm not responding to your bullshit posts anymore but Link got it away from the omnipotent Ganon with infinte wishes didn't he? |
Yes... ignored the logic, of someone grabbing an item of ultimate power away from someone when all you need is a split second to use that power.
How praytell is Kratos supposed to grab it away?
It's asinine. It's like saying you might not go to hell if you can snatch a pebble out of gods hand before he notices it.
Sorry I think the winner is Goku. There is nothing alive that can beat Goku. His resilience and cleverness let's him survive long enough to take the punishment a Super Sayan needs. After that Goku just morphs to his next form to over come the challenge then lays the smack down. Hands down to both Kratos and Link
oh wait I can't throw in any invincible character I want because I have to follow some form of rules? LOL like the Link vs Kratos or Samus vs MC?
oooho how about this line up. Since Kratos has daddy issues I put my bet on Sailor Moon. Yeah combat wise she would get mushed, but her power of emotional healing will surely take down Kratos. With him being emotionally healed his anger will leave and he won't want to fight anymore. He goes from emotional pansy to a well sensible adult.
Squilliam: On Vgcharts its a commonly accepted practice to twist the bounds of plausibility in order to support your argument or agenda so I think its pretty cool that this gives me the precedent to say whatever I damn well please.
letsdance said:
I have always seen what you mean. But I don't agree with your assumptions. I don't see why Kratos wouldn't select in using the items he has gained. You are taking developers who paced the game and balanced it too literally. And that's what I have been saying from the get go. This way I have said in one of the very first posts when you entered the thread that though it isn't logical to have 2 fictional characters fighting there still needs to be logic applied... |
It's common vs rules ettiquttie... it's also the only way that makes sense.
You are suggesting Kratos is going to use items he's never used and there is no indication he can use.
That's like saying... I don't know, A modern fencer today could beat a middlevil knight... because the modern fencer would obviously bring a gun to the fight that he's never used and may not even be trained to operate. Except, the gun is very specific and has only operated for that particular person. Also, the person never picked up or used the item ever, or probably knows of it's existance.
Kasz216 said:
It's common vs rules ettiquttie... it's also the only way that makes sense. You are suggesting Kratos is going to use items he's never used and there is no indication he can use. |
To say this before letsdance does:
Kratos can use those items, but he can't use them in canon, only in the New Game+.
Khuutra said:
Hahaha, I guess that's fair - forget the gauntlets, then. If we reduce Lin and Kratos both down to their natural strength and swords and shields made of regular old steel or iron or bronze, I'd still give it to Link.care to explain? was there ever a fight in zelda where link took out more than 20 enemies at the same time? I also didnt mentioned ``regular steel``, i said Link with sword (of any kind) vs. kratos with blades of exile. Or if you want they can just fight with fists, every way you spin it-Kratos Wins. And no, I do see the difference between their worlds - but it's not in the direction that you would think. I see the God of War world as being more violent, not as being a place where the enemies are more powerful than in Zelda.care to say why? I mean, Link was able to kill a dinosaur the size of a Mack Truck (with hauling trailer) when he was tenKratos killed Cronos, so there goes that logic. This isn't some regular punk ten-year-old here, the kid is insane.Link always wins in game by using magic and magical items he took from other people. I never saw him win using only his sword shield and bow. Kratos on the other side managed to take out entire army of Ares only with Blades of Chaos. he even killed thousands before he made his ``agreement`` with Ares. He scales active volcanoes while they're spewing lava plumes all over the place, and can actually be hit by volcanic stones raining from the sky and just shrug it off so long as he has his shield.And kratos holded off Cronos`s hand when he was trying to crush him. Even when he's small, Link is strong as Hell. |
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