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Wonktonodi on 15 April 2010
Kasz216 said:
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Link could win a fight but nothing can annihilate Kratos he won't stay dead

Kratos does stay dead if you get rid of his drive to live.

Or just use the Triforce to keep him dead.  The Triforce is far above anything in the GOW world.

I guess if he wanted, he could turn Hades into a realm where you don't hold on to your corporeal form.

He wouldn't even have to do that.  He could just make it so that "kratos stays dead" and he would.

Saying Kratos would win here is like saying Wolverine would beat Molecule Man in a fight... it's that ridiculious.


With the Triforce link basically isn't a god.  He's basically THE god.

But even as a God how many times has he had to fight the same people over and over again?  You would think if Link was capable of doing it he would have done it already. 

Capable of doing what?  He's only held the entire triforce once.

and he's also only ever fought ganon once technically, as each new Link is a new reincarnation.

 

oh I thought some were true sequals meaning that Link wasn't capable of just fixing the world so that it was all good and nothing bad happens again.  Having not played them I wasn't sure. 

Manly I was getting at is that at the end of a Legend of Zelda game there will be another and Link will have to fight all over again.  Vs God of war games where when he's killed gods' they stay dead.  So I was useing that as a way of saying Link isn't able to finish a fight off for good. 

Nobody can fix the world so that bad never happens again.  Afterall Link has omnipotent powers but is still mortal.  Also, if you created a world where nothing bad ever happened... you would have no world.  Nobody would have any personality or free will.

 

They all happen in the same world... but the link is different every time... outside of a couple games.  Adventures of Link for example.

Also, the gods in god of war are well... weak.  Not all "gods" are created equal.   I've mentioned it before in the thread, but if you took say... Thor from Marvel comics, and through him into the GOW universe he'd DESTROY all of the GOW gods fairly eaisly.

I think you have that backwards if you took the Gods from the GOW univeres and through them into Marvel he'd destroy them.  When it comes to fights like this home turf advantage = win for the home team since it's their universe their universes rules. 

Not at all.  Thor would still have all his Thor powers fine.  It's not their universes rules at all.

what comic character still has all their power when put in a video game? 

what happens when an unstoppable force meats an imovable object?

can't happen those can't coexist.  One or both would have to be renamed.  The univeres in god of war limits powers because it's a video game.  you have much more freedom in comics. 



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letsdance on 15 April 2010
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Why would link show up in a world he doesn't know exists? See this is end game content your talking about and trying to tie in the stories. This is a fight plain and simple. Just a regular mob or boss link or kratos encounter every game. The cape theory doesnt work as I pointed out with the bombs. The Zelda devs have been short sighted once before. Again if we use logic and ignore the devs with kratos jumping out of bounds we should be able to do it with link as well. He isn't intangible and thats my conclusion. **MINI SPOILER** Even if he were Kratos can fly and is super fast and can just dodge untill Link loses his magic... that is to say if link even gets the chance to use each item... which I doubt. He would be limbless the second he comes across Kratos unless he was using each item (which.. come on... how often is link just going to use a special milk like that) on something else.

The cape theory DOES work... as I replied to you.  You've just been ignoring it ever since I proved you wrong.


You didn't prove me wrong. You are just assuming the devs werent short sighted like they were a few years before. You are assuming the devs thought about adding a hit box when the sword was out. Every site I read zelda lore on doesn't describe the cape as such... even then... this is assuming link even gets the oppertunity to use the items which I doubt and Link being able to defeat Kratos in the time frame... which I doubt. You are also assuming the items Kratos has wouldn't work for him like they do in other situations.



Khuutra on 15 April 2010
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Also, i gotta admit I was wrong... and Khuurtra was right.

I forgot in the original LOZ your collecting the Triforce of Wisdom, which Zelda separated from herself split up and hid across the land because she couldn't beat Ganon in a 1 on 1 fight and wanted to give link an edge.

Link was born with the Triforce of courage inside of him then.

Nah, he didn't have the Triforceo f Courage inside of him - he had to find that in the second game.

That's a differnet Link though.

Is it? I thought LoZ and AoL starred the same guy.



Wonktonodi on 15 April 2010
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Capable of doing what?  He's only held the entire triforce once.

and he's also only ever fought ganon once technically, as each new Link is a new reincarnation.

oh I thought some were true sequals meaning that Link wasn't capable of just fixing the world so that it was all good and nothing bad happens again.  Having not played them I wasn't sure. 

Manly I was getting at is that at the end of a Legend of Zelda game there will be another and Link will have to fight all over again.  Vs God of war games where when he's killed gods' they stay dead.  So I was useing that as a way of saying Link isn't able to finish a fight off for good. 

I guess that's kind of fair, but so far nothing in the universe has been able to kill Ganon for good. He's been incinerated, impaled, stabbed in the face, and even totally-for-sure killed a few times, but he always comes back through sheer force of will, sometimes forging himself a new body with no explanation as to how he did it.

Isn't that becuase Ganon himself used the Triforce and the Triforce makes it so the User can't die until their wish is fufilled?

Ganon made himself the proverbial rock that god can't life.  Hence why you need to subdue him in other ways.

This is much more powerful then say, Kratos desire to keep coming back to life.

So just a part of the triforce can stop the whole trifoce?  Kinda week if you ask me :P

and what made the triforce?  From a few things I looked over looks like it was made by gods or goddeses so wouldn't that then only make it a tool with the powers of gods but not the powers of the gods themselves? 

No.  It was the entire Triforce.

Ganon held the entire Triforce... used it's power... but if you use it's power and you aren't pure of heart, it seperates and you are left with the piece that best represents you.

 

ok thanks that answered one of the questions still not the who made it.

Also does that mean if Links wish isn't pure it might not come true on Kratos?



Kasz216 on 15 April 2010
Wonktonodi said:
Kasz216 said:
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Khuutra said:
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Khuutra said:
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Link could win a fight but nothing can annihilate Kratos he won't stay dead

Kratos does stay dead if you get rid of his drive to live.

Or just use the Triforce to keep him dead.  The Triforce is far above anything in the GOW world.

I guess if he wanted, he could turn Hades into a realm where you don't hold on to your corporeal form.

He wouldn't even have to do that.  He could just make it so that "kratos stays dead" and he would.

Saying Kratos would win here is like saying Wolverine would beat Molecule Man in a fight... it's that ridiculious.


With the Triforce link basically isn't a god.  He's basically THE god.

But even as a God how many times has he had to fight the same people over and over again?  You would think if Link was capable of doing it he would have done it already. 

Capable of doing what?  He's only held the entire triforce once.

and he's also only ever fought ganon once technically, as each new Link is a new reincarnation.

 

oh I thought some were true sequals meaning that Link wasn't capable of just fixing the world so that it was all good and nothing bad happens again.  Having not played them I wasn't sure. 

Manly I was getting at is that at the end of a Legend of Zelda game there will be another and Link will have to fight all over again.  Vs God of war games where when he's killed gods' they stay dead.  So I was useing that as a way of saying Link isn't able to finish a fight off for good. 

Nobody can fix the world so that bad never happens again.  Afterall Link has omnipotent powers but is still mortal.  Also, if you created a world where nothing bad ever happened... you would have no world.  Nobody would have any personality or free will.

 

They all happen in the same world... but the link is different every time... outside of a couple games.  Adventures of Link for example.

Also, the gods in god of war are well... weak.  Not all "gods" are created equal.   I've mentioned it before in the thread, but if you took say... Thor from Marvel comics, and through him into the GOW universe he'd DESTROY all of the GOW gods fairly eaisly.

I think you have that backwards if you took the Gods from the GOW univeres and through them into Marvel he'd destroy them.  When it comes to fights like this home turf advantage = win for the home team since it's their universe their universes rules. 

Not at all.  Thor would still have all his Thor powers fine.  It's not their universes rules at all.

what comic character still has all their power when put in a video game? 

what happens when an unstoppable force meats an imovable object?

can't happen those can't coexist.  One or both would have to be renamed.  The univeres in god of war limits powers because it's a video game.  you have much more freedom in comics. 

1) Galactus for one.

The God of war universe has limited power... peirod.  That's all there is too it.  If Galactus came to Kratos universe... he would just eat the planet.

 

2) God of War is also a comic.

http://www.majorspoilers.com/archives/37341.htm/

 



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Imphamis on 15 April 2010

Link could always seal Kratos in the Sacred Realm.



 

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Kasz216 on 15 April 2010
Wonktonodi said:
Kasz216 said:
Wonktonodi said:
Kasz216 said:
Khuutra said:
Wonktonodi said:
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Capable of doing what?  He's only held the entire triforce once.

and he's also only ever fought ganon once technically, as each new Link is a new reincarnation.

oh I thought some were true sequals meaning that Link wasn't capable of just fixing the world so that it was all good and nothing bad happens again.  Having not played them I wasn't sure. 

Manly I was getting at is that at the end of a Legend of Zelda game there will be another and Link will have to fight all over again.  Vs God of war games where when he's killed gods' they stay dead.  So I was useing that as a way of saying Link isn't able to finish a fight off for good. 

I guess that's kind of fair, but so far nothing in the universe has been able to kill Ganon for good. He's been incinerated, impaled, stabbed in the face, and even totally-for-sure killed a few times, but he always comes back through sheer force of will, sometimes forging himself a new body with no explanation as to how he did it.

Isn't that becuase Ganon himself used the Triforce and the Triforce makes it so the User can't die until their wish is fufilled?

Ganon made himself the proverbial rock that god can't life.  Hence why you need to subdue him in other ways.

This is much more powerful then say, Kratos desire to keep coming back to life.

So just a part of the triforce can stop the whole trifoce?  Kinda week if you ask me :P

and what made the triforce?  From a few things I looked over looks like it was made by gods or goddeses so wouldn't that then only make it a tool with the powers of gods but not the powers of the gods themselves? 

No.  It was the entire Triforce.

Ganon held the entire Triforce... used it's power... but if you use it's power and you aren't pure of heart, it seperates and you are left with the piece that best represents you.

 

ok thanks that answered one of the questions still not the who made it.

Also does that mean if Links wish isn't pure it might not come true on Kratos?

No, it would either, make the wish come true, and then split up the triforce.

Or it would give link the ability to accomplish the goal, split up the triforce and make Link immortal until said goal happened.

This is why Ganon is immortal to my knoweldge.

LoZ chronology isn't my strong suite though, since I don't really care.

All the really matters is that the GoW universe is pretty watered down compaired to the LoZ univers power wise, despite the fact that GoW tries much harder with the "Bad ass looking feats."

It's like compairing a trained samurai vs some random guy with a sledgehammer.  The sledgehammer guy is going to do more impressive looking things with it, then the guy with the sword would... but Samurai is going to win that fight every time.



Wonktonodi on 15 April 2010
Kasz216 said:
Wonktonodi said:

what comic character still has all their power when put in a video game? 

what happens when an unstoppable force meats an imovable object?

can't happen those can't coexist.  One or both would have to be renamed.  The univeres in god of war limits powers because it's a video game.  you have much more freedom in comics. 

1) Galactus for one.

The God of war universe has limited power... peirod.  That's all there is too it.  If Galactus came to Kratos universe... he would just eat the planet.

 

2) God of War is also a comic.

http://www.majorspoilers.com/archives/37341.htm/

 

what video game is glacus in where he has all his power?

comic to video game is not the same as video game to comic.  When you go from comic to video game you have to reduce the amount of power the character has to something that is playable.  video game to comic you can keep the level the same.

God of war univeres is limited by it starting as a video game. If you were to just take the characters it has in it and aply all the myth behind them they have pleanty of power.

 

 

spoiler for god of war 1

 

 

 

 

 

End of the first game Kratos is the god of war watching over earth  Our EARTH.  From there one could argue Kratos could then annihilate Link from excistence by getting rid of all the video games cartoons and anything else Link was every in. 



Kasz216 on 15 April 2010
Wonktonodi said:
Kasz216 said:
Wonktonodi said:
 

what comic character still has all their power when put in a video game? 

what happens when an unstoppable force meats an imovable object?

can't happen those can't coexist.  One or both would have to be renamed.  The univeres in god of war limits powers because it's a video game.  you have much more freedom in comics. 

1) Galactus for one.

The God of war universe has limited power... peirod.  That's all there is too it.  If Galactus came to Kratos universe... he would just eat the planet.

 

2) God of War is also a comic.

http://www.majorspoilers.com/archives/37341.htm/

 

what video game is glacus in where he has all his power?

comic to video game is not the same as video game to comic.  When you go from comic to video game you have to reduce the amount of power the character has to something that is playable.  video game to comic you can keep the level the same.

God of war univeres is limited by it starting as a video game. If you were to just take the characters it has in it and aply all the myth behind them they have pleanty of power.

 

 

spoiler for god of war 1

 

 

 

 

 

End of the first game Kratos is the god of war watching over earth  Our EARTH.  From there one could argue Kratos could then annihilate Link from excistence by getting rid of all the video games cartoons and anything else Link was every in. 

Except... it's not our earth.  The Greek Gods are nothing like how they were portrayed in other worlds.

It doesn't matter.  We aren't taking a Comic book character and putting him into a videogame.

We are taking a comic book character and putting him into a videogame WORLD.

Nobody is going to be playing Thor vs the Gods.  Therefore there is no game balancing done.

Besides videogames are themselves there own seperate dimensions... at least according to marvel.

That god of war is limited by being a game... that's my point.  It is.  The GOW gods are weak.

LoZ characters aren't AS limited.

Put Thor in LoZ... Link probably beats him.



letsdance on 15 April 2010
Kasz216 said:
Wonktonodi said:
Kasz216 said:
Wonktonodi said:
Kasz216 said:
Khuutra said:
Wonktonodi said:
Kasz216 said:

Capable of doing what?  He's only held the entire triforce once.

and he's also only ever fought ganon once technically, as each new Link is a new reincarnation.

oh I thought some were true sequals meaning that Link wasn't capable of just fixing the world so that it was all good and nothing bad happens again.  Having not played them I wasn't sure. 

Manly I was getting at is that at the end of a Legend of Zelda game there will be another and Link will have to fight all over again.  Vs God of war games where when he's killed gods' they stay dead.  So I was useing that as a way of saying Link isn't able to finish a fight off for good. 

I guess that's kind of fair, but so far nothing in the universe has been able to kill Ganon for good. He's been incinerated, impaled, stabbed in the face, and even totally-for-sure killed a few times, but he always comes back through sheer force of will, sometimes forging himself a new body with no explanation as to how he did it.

Isn't that becuase Ganon himself used the Triforce and the Triforce makes it so the User can't die until their wish is fufilled?

Ganon made himself the proverbial rock that god can't life.  Hence why you need to subdue him in other ways.

This is much more powerful then say, Kratos desire to keep coming back to life.

So just a part of the triforce can stop the whole trifoce?  Kinda week if you ask me :P

and what made the triforce?  From a few things I looked over looks like it was made by gods or goddeses so wouldn't that then only make it a tool with the powers of gods but not the powers of the gods themselves? 

No.  It was the entire Triforce.

Ganon held the entire Triforce... used it's power... but if you use it's power and you aren't pure of heart, it seperates and you are left with the piece that best represents you.

 

ok thanks that answered one of the questions still not the who made it.

Also does that mean if Links wish isn't pure it might not come true on Kratos?

No, it would either, make the wish come true, and then split up the triforce.

Or it would give link the ability to accomplish the goal, split up the triforce and make Link immortal until said goal happened.

This is why Ganon is immortal to my knoweldge.

LoZ chronology isn't my strong suite though, since I don't really care.

All the really matters is that the GoW universe is pretty watered down compaired to the LoZ univers power wise, despite the fact that GoW tries much harder with the "Bad ass looking feats."

It's like compairing a trained samurai vs some random guy with a sledgehammer.  The sledgehammer guy is going to do more impressive looking things with it, then the guy with the sword would... but Samurai is going to win that fight every time.


and yet no example you can give backs your claims up except for end game story. But in **SPOILERS** end game story to GoW is also world changing. Maybe not "multi dementional" like the Zelda universe but again... GoW isn't in the Zelda universe thus the Triforce wouldnt effect Kratos unless Link obtained it while fighting him.... but then again Kratos would be able to obtain it just like he did with pandoras box.