Actually, yeah, I know. It's not fair, it makes the fight into a bullshit exercise in futility, etc. I know.

But the fact remains is that that's still how the Magic Cape works. Link can hit anyon but he can't be hit or grabbed, period. He can hit you whilel he's standing inside of a wall. He can hit you while he's standing inside of you, and you're the only one who will feel the impact. It's a broken, unbeatable combination that can't be gotten around.

That's why I encourage letsdance to come up with a scenario that doesn't involve the Magic Cape, or at least say "Okay with Chateau Romani and the Magic Cape there's no way Kratos can beat Link but that's not in the spirit of the discussion." So long as he doesn't do this, I can't go down any other lines of logic.

I'm gonna use the logic that most people does in these comparisons.
Link wins because I like him more than Kratos.
The end.

Oh, and you all forget one important fact. Both Kratos and Link are controlled by Gods: the Players. So, to make a fair comparison you would have to have a fight between one player controlling Link and one player controlling Kratos. Who would win?

Tingle owns everyone though

LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL!!!!!! Then link's bombs arent consistant because they cant blow up every boulder. His flame can't burn every bush. You are really trying to pull this? That isn't the problem here... the problem is you are taking shitty AI and programming as a rule to the cape. No where have I read "The cape when attached to link can't be pulled off" Or "When the cape is active link can attack without being attacked" all ive seen is thecape makes him invisible and he can go through walls if he wants and you are able to see his shadow. Just because the enemy AI in the SNES days werent able to be programnmed to spot that kind of stuff and counter it doesn't mean thats how it works. Hell, link can't jump, can't talk, cant climb trees. This is why you are biased. Because you are applying your "Logic" to the GoW games but not even considering it for Link.

You're becoming boring to talk to, and this is the most ridiculous thing I have ever read in one of these topics. And I once read an argument from a guy who thought that C.A.T.S. would beat up Diablo.

1. The boulders that Link's bombs can destroy are perfectly consistent - the ones he can't are denoted by their color and the sound made when hitting them to be made of a different material.

2. In the original Legend of Zelda it's acknowledged that the fire Link carries in his lamp will burn dry bushes, but the only way to tell is to put fire to them.

3. I don't think you understand how AI works. Enemies don't actually "see" you in games, they just attack your avatar or not. If they wanted to, it would be perfectly possible for enemies to continue attacking you while you were intangible, but they don't.

You don't have to read those words, because - I assume - you played A Link to the Past! It's all true. Link can be standing on top of an exploding bomb while being on the end of some big palooka's swinging sword and hitting the guy simultaneously and he will not get hit. Link can't be touched when he's wearing the Magic Cape! That's all there is.

None of this addresses the question of Kratos's strength, either, which is still only answered by the problem of Hope when he's fighting gods or titans. His inconsistencies are canonically consistent, but the fact remains t hat they're still there, and you're not addressing the question, you're just trying to wave it off.

I don't know why you started the discussion if you're not willing to actually have it.

Why would I try and make a conversation exciting with you when you lost a cred a while ago? Lol. I'm not even attempting with you. Youre just wrong plain and simple. You take shitty AI and programming as a rule.Ok I admit... Link wins. Link would win by default since Kratos can't touch any platform other than the allowed ones. Kratos would drop dead because the allowed platform would be a circle. Once Kratos jumps in the air and flys away he dies. Once his toe touches the outter ring he dies. Link wins. (Lol your arguements are ridiculous)

You can't provide a single argument better than "lol Kratos would tear off the Magic Cape and then rip off Link's arms and pee on his head because Kratos is just that bad-ass and it doesn't matter if Link has one-way intangibility lol" and you respond to me like this?

What's ridiculous about saying "Link would win because he can't be touched but that intangibility only works in one direction"?

Would you prefer it if I said "Link could just use the Bombos Medallion, as an unblockable and undodgeable miniaturized nuclear explosion that freezes time while Link uses it, to blast Kratos to smithereens?"

Would htat be better? Would it be any less true?

If you don't like hearing "Link with Chateau Romani would utterly ruin Kratos's shit" then come up with a scenario where Link doesn't have access to it. It's that easy! All you have to say is "Link without Chateau Romani"!

well Khuutra has won this thread...

these discussions are always flawed because every single detail of a characters power (at least a singular point of reference) equipment etc as well as location of the fight and what level of outside help fore warning preparation time etc isn't set out at the biggining.

Oh well they can still be fun to read and argue well I am off to bed.

The argument can continue if we discount Chateau Romani, or even just stick to one Link, but letsdance doesn't seem willing to do that.

exactly so you win lol

LOL Kratos couldn't lose.

He has control of fate, and can't die. If he died he can go back and alter his fate as he sees fit. Even creating an infinitum of duplicates of himself at a specific point in time, if he so wished.