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You do realise that patent forms often just have a generic illustration, for illustration purposes? They are patenting the rumble tech itself, not its use in a particular system. Otherwise Sony could just make the exact same thing and put it in a PSP iteration. The picture is a just a generic DS-like system for the sake of showing what the patented tech would be used for.

Ergo, not a 3DS. Reading way too much into it.



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mysticwolf said:
Cobra_ said:
Look at 58 on the first and second picture and you will see that the Memory Card is a Game Card.

How can someone make a deduction that there might be a hard drive in a device because it has a CPU and RAM is beyond me. DS has a CPU and RAM. Even the old Game Boy has a CPU and RAM. Does a Game Boy have a hard drive? It doesn't, starnge as that might seem.

Anyway, according to the second picture the "motor driver" is supposed to be a part of the device which might mean that this patent is going to be used in a new handheld (if it's going to be used at all). As far as I know, DSi doesn't have any motor driver - I might be wrong though. It doesn't matter that the first picture shows the old DSi - they are not patenting the looks of the final product here, after all.


Yes, you were right about the first two parts. I don't know what I was thinking.

However, I am pretty sure this patent is not for the DSi.

If you look at the first picture, at the speakers, you will notice that each speaker has 6 speaker holes (I don't know what the "speaker holes" are actually called) on each side in a rectangular pattern. The DSi has only 1 hole on each side. This makes me assume that this is not for the DSi, or the DSi XL, because the XL has 6 holes on each side, but they are arranged in a hexagonal pattern, not rectangular. The DS Lite is the only DS with 6 speaker holes arranged rectangularly, but the DS Lite does not have cameras, or the Power button at the bottom, or an SD card slot.

THAT is why this is the 3DS. The speakers and the cameras gave it away.

Actually, when you read my third paragraph again, you might find out that I'm not arguing with you there. The patent definitely does not concern DS or DSi in my opinion. They are only using the DS/DSi handheld design for illustrative purposes here. Whether the patented feature is going to be used in 3DS remains to be seen



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I think the triple processors give it away. It is the 3DS.

The DS possesses only twin 67-33 ARMs if I'm not mistaken.



 

 

 

 

 

Zlejedi said:
zarx said:
hmm it's strange that it has two separate GPUs, as the tegra 2 is a system on a chip design. This could mean that it's not using a tegra chip or that nintendo have modified it so they have two sets of the GPU component as separate chips, but that would defeat the purpose of having a system on a a chip. I guess it could be that the GPUs are not traditional GPUs and are used for the 3D effect (and/or Anti-aliasing etc) but that seems a bit strange.

Maybe it's some kind of hybrid - Tegra powering computation and one screen with second much less powerfull gpu powering second one.

possible but the diagram does show two GPUs and one CPU, of course it could be that the diagram doesn't represent the actual product lol.



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If it's DS backwards-compatible, that would explain the multiple processors. It essentially has to contain the DS hardware to still do DS games without emulation.



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If it's DS backwards-compatible, that would explain the multiple processors. It essentially has to contain the DS hardware to still do DS games without emulation.

but it only has one CPU (the DS has 2) and 2 GPUs I mean it could be that they are using a dulecore tegra - the GPU component and 2 seperate GPUs so 1 CPU to handle all non Graphics processing and two dedicated GPUs. That is if it even represents the 3DS lol. 



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Ding. I was right. Look at the schematics. GPU 1, GPU 2. Graphical Processing Unit. I figured Nintendo would be cheap and run a second GPU to get the 3d output at proper speads rather than wasting money and time with single GPU processing.

Nintendo is not using Tegra, Seriously Nintendo using a highend NVidia tech? Nintendo uses cheap graphical chip for the DS/i. All they are going to do is add a second one. I already posted my theoritcal sutrcture for getting 3d onto the phillips/panasoic? 3d screen and this seems to indicate I was right.

So to Zarx, no it's not strange. It's logical and falls into the realm of common sense. Why double the speed of a single GPU to provide 2 renders. This would create an exponential cost for every X% increase. It would come to the point where the chip would be 5x the current chip for only double the power. Where as just some tweaking you could pay only for 1 extra chip and VRAM and get the same performace? what in any logical mind where paying an exponential cost for lowered returns is better that 2 chips. Also keep in mind that parralel processing is better than singular processing. In the case of a single GPU you still need to render frame 1 then frame 2. In parrallel you process both frames at the same time.



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Umm... This is a patent application, which means that anything seen in it may not be in the final product the patent is originally made for.

If Nintendo is prototyping 3D, it's likely that they are prototyping it with 2 GPUs and what we see in the papers is the prototype hardware, by its looks and tech. Putting too GPU:s inside sounds expensive, so i'm inclined to believe that the final system will have only 1 GPU.



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Ding. I was right. Look at the schematics. GPU 1, GPU 2. Graphical Processing Unit. I figured Nintendo would be cheap and run a second GPU to get the 3d output at proper speads rather than wasting money and time with single GPU processing.

Nintendo is not using Tegra, Seriously Nintendo using a highend NVidia tech? Nintendo uses cheap graphical chip for the DS/i. All they are going to do is add a second one. I already posted my theoritcal sutrcture for getting 3d onto the phillips/panasoic? 3d screen and this seems to indicate I was right.

So to Zarx, no it's not strange. It's logical and falls into the realm of common sense. Why double the speed of a single GPU to provide 2 renders. This would create an exponential cost for every X% increase. It would come to the point where the chip would be 5x the current chip for only double the power. Where as just some tweaking you could pay only for 1 extra chip and VRAM and get the same performace? what in any logical mind where paying an exponential cost for lowered returns is better that 2 chips. Also keep in mind that parralel processing is better than singular processing. In the case of a single GPU you still need to render frame 1 then frame 2. In parrallel you process both frames at the same time.

I never said it was bad or strange that they would use two GPUs instead of a single tegra chip (unless we are talking power usage) I just found it interesting after all the rumors about Nintendo using a Nvidia chip. The tegra line of chips is actually a system on a chip design that is quite scalable, usually it does include Nvidia GPU components and 1 or 2 ARM cores with a bunch of controllers for Memory management, Wifi, I/O, Image processing (for cameras,) Video decoding etc, the last rumor that I read about it suggested that Nintendo were just licensing the tech to create a custom CPU rather than a standard Tegra CPU, so they could still be using a tegra derived chip and two other GPUs. Or the two GPUs could be both tegras with just the GPU components. The Tegra line is actually used in a quite a few of mobile devices that vary from things like like the Zune HD and many android phones to many up coming tablet PCs (not the iPad) and like I said is very scalable from high to low end.



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