CGI-Quality said:
Siren? How would you know, we don't have original Siren's numbers. And if we want to get REAL technical, Blood Curse is already higher than Siren 2. |
If you want to get technical, you should really compare like with like (ie: Siren 1 to Siren 3), though there are some problems there. My real point is though that Sony franchises aren't hitting the same highs on PS3 they were on PS2. Franchises just aren't surpassing what they were on PS2, that significant userbase reduction does have an impact.
I have Famitsu figures for every Siren if you're curious... they're probably the best thing to go on really...
CGI-Quality said:
No, not all franchises are hitting the same highs as PS2, I agree. So far though, some of the most important ones have been: (Killzone 2 is already higher than it's predecessor, God of War III will most likely clear both predecessors - it's already nearly halfway to God of War 1), which just leaves Gran Turismo 5. |
In both cases though, you find the franchises prominence has been fast tracked and greatly increased this generation. That's something I just don't see happening for GT5, it'll be big but not a bigger deal than GT3 comparatively was (unlike KZ2 vs KZ1 or GOW3 vs GOW1/2).
Plus there's been definite genre fatigue for sim racers in America, and in Japan pretty much almost all PS3 games have seen significant declines from what they were doing on PS2 (with a few exceptions like Yakuza or Atelier). I wpould say GT5's basically guaranteed to do less than GT3 (or GT4 even) in both markets, which leaves any chance of recovery entirely on Europe's shoulders. :/
Good chance MW2 will get there first, but if done right GT5 will easily outsell it. Bundling GT5 with consoles will be epic.
jarrod said:
In both cases though, you find the franchises prominence has been fast tracked and greatly increased this generation. That's something I just don't see happening for GT5, it'll be big but not a bigger deal than GT3 comparatively was (unlike KZ2 vs KZ1 or GOW3 vs GOW1/2). Plus there's been definite genre fatigue for sim racers in America, and in Japan pretty much almost all PS3 games have seen significant declines from what they were doing on PS2 (with a few exceptions like Yakuza or Atelier). I wpould say GT5's basically guaranteed to do less than GT3 (or GT4 even) in both markets, which leaves any chance of recovery entirely on Europe's shoulders. :/ |
i'm really not sure what you are trying to get at. you say that not every single ps2 franchise is up, just the ones with prominence. well no crap, the franchises sony currently pushes are doing well and the ones they are ignoring are dying. franchises die all the time, all franchises will die eventually. the important part is that GT was and continues to be sony's most predominate franchise which puts it in good company with the other franchises that have done better than before like KZ2, GoW, MGS, and amazingly to me RE despite being mulitplat and sellng amazingly on the 360. GT5:prologue is doing amazing with great legs still today and that doesn't even include whatever was sold as DLC.
whatever, mark my words, quote me, bet me. GT5 will hit 10M and neither of us can be proven right/wrong until GT5 finally releases.
kitler53 said:
i'm really not sure what you are trying to get at. you say that not every single ps2 franchise is up, just the ones with prominence. well no crap, the franchises sony currently pushes are doing well and the ones they are ignoring are dying. franchises die all the time, all franchises will die eventually. the important part is that GT was and continues to be sony's most predominate franchise which puts it in good company with the other franchises that have done better than before like KZ2, GoW, MGS, and amazingly to me RE despite being mulitplat and sellng amazingly on the 360. GT5:prologue is doing amazing with great legs still today and that doesn't even include whatever was sold as DLC. whatever, mark my words, quote me, bet me. GT5 will hit 10M and neither of us can be proven right/wrong until GT5 finally releases. |
You've misunderstood me, I'm not saying only the ones with prominence are up. I'm saying only the ones with more prominence than last gen are up. And GT5 won't be in that camp.
Also, MGS4 undersold MGS2 (each being the generational franchise debut), and RECVX and RE4 each came a year late to PS2 while RE5 came day-and-date to PS3. If RE5 released just last month for the first time on PS3, how high do you think sales would get?
GT5P's done really well, but the context surrounding it's release is most similar to GT3 than anything (franchise debut, heavy bundling). I think if GT5's bundled as well it may hit 10m (and knowing Sony, it likely will be), but if it's not it won't. No matter what though, I think it has pretty much no chance of hitting GT3 numbers, though it could pass GT4.
Yes. But I do believe GT5 will be the second PS3 game to cross the 10 Mill Mark.
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jarrod said:
You've misunderstood me, I'm not saying only the ones with prominence are up. I'm saying only the ones with more prominence than last gen are up. And GT5 won't be in that camp. Also, MGS4 undersold MGS2 (each being the generational franchise debut), and RECVX and RE4 each came a year late to PS2 while RE5 came day-and-date to PS3. If RE5 released just last month for the first time on PS3, how high do you think sales would get? GT5P's done really well, but the context surrounding it's release is most similar to GT3 than anything (franchise debut, heavy bundling). I think if GT5's bundled as well it may hit 10m (and knowing Sony, it likely will be), but if it's not it won't. No matter what though, I think it has pretty much no chance of hitting GT3 numbers, though it could pass GT4. |
The problem with your argument is you are assuming too much based on the past. MGS4 will outsell MGS2 anyway, so your point means nothing. The biggest issue is the fact America has lost interest in racing games lately, but if Sony advertise this game, I don't see why it can't sell 2.5 million in the US, that's all it really need. Europe is where this game will shine, and I have no doubt, GT5 will spend years in the sharts. 6 to 7 million easy. I don't care for the whole 10 Million number as means nothing to me, but it will be the top selling PS3 game this gen.
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psrock said:
The problem with your argument is you are assuming too much based on the past. MGS4 will outsell MGS2 anyway, so your point means nothing. The biggest issue is the fact America has lost interest in racing games lately, but if Sony advertise this game, I don't see why it can't sell 2.5 million in the US, that's all it really need. Europe is where this game will shine, and I have no doubt, GT5 will spend years in the sharts. 6 to 7 million easy. I don't care for the whole 10 Million number as means nothing to me, but it will be the top selling PS3 game this gen. |
Actually, I'm not sure if MGS4 will outsell MGS2. If you factor in Substance (which basically cut off longer term MGS2 sales), it has no hope.
7m Europe would be a best case scenario too (and a record the series afaik), though I can see that as possible with heavy, heavy bundling. Ditto for 2.5m NA. If there's heavy bundling in Japan, I think it could crack 1m too.
psrock said:
The problem with your argument is you are assuming too much based on the past. MGS4 will outsell MGS2 anyway, so your point means nothing. The biggest issue is the fact America has lost interest in racing games lately, but if Sony advertise this game, I don't see why it can't sell 2.5 million in the US, that's all it really need. Europe is where this game will shine, and I have no doubt, GT5 will spend years in the sharts. 6 to 7 million easy. I don't care for the whole 10 Million number as means nothing to me, but it will be the top selling PS3 game this gen. |
I'm sure Sony will be touting the inclusion of Nascar with this iteration pretty heavily in NA. The absence of a Nascar 2010 will only make its inclusion all the more meaningful. That plus WRC should help the game to be one of the better selling GTs in North America.
There's just so much content in GT5 that Sony easily has the power to make GT even more prominent than it was in the past, especially given they're bringing the GT Academy to Norh America later this year. The GT brand is only growing, and I believe they're trying to make the franchise as big in NA as it is in Europe through GT5.
And honestly, given how franchises like Need for Speed have fallen in sales considerably from last gen, there's not much for GT to compete with these days. The only racer to put up decent numbers on ps3 aside from GT5: Prologue was MotorStorm, which is pretty incomparable.
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