kitler53 said:
jarrod said:
CGI-Quality said:
jarrod said:
CGI-Quality said:
jarrod said:
kitler53 said:
lol at all the GT5 hate...from what i've seen most all last gen titles have surpassed their predecessors. |
Not Sony's. From what I can tell, the only one that really has is Killzone 2, which was insanely hyped/pushed this gen compared to KZ1. Pretty much every other Sony franchise (Ratchet & Clank, Hot Shots Golf, Siren, Singstar, BUZZ, Boku no Natsuyasumi, etc) has taken an appreciable tumble. GOW3 might beat out it's predecessors too, but again it's prominence has been greatly increased this gen compared to last. I don't the same will really be true for GT5.
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Siren? How would you know, we don't have original Siren's numbers.
And if we want to get REAL technical, Blood Curse is already higher than Siren 2.
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If you want to get technical, you should really compare like with like (ie: Siren 1 to Siren 3), though there are some problems there. My real point is though that Sony franchises aren't hitting the same highs on PS3 they were on PS2. Franchises just aren't surpassing what they were on PS2, that significant userbase reduction does have an impact.
I have Famitsu figures for every Siren if you're curious... they're probably the best thing to go on really...
- [PS2] Siren (SCEI) 121,114
- [PS2] Siren (PS2 the BEST) (SCEI) 43,184
- [PS2] Siren 2 (SCEI) 85,457
- [PS3] Siren: New Translation (SCEI) 66,269
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No, not all franchises are hitting the same highs as PS2, I agree. So far though, some of the most important ones have been: (Killzone 2 is already higher than it's predecessor, God of War III will most likely clear both predecessors - it's already nearly halfway to God of War 1), which just leaves Gran Turismo 5.
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In both cases though, you find the franchises prominence has been fast tracked and greatly increased this generation. That's something I just don't see happening for GT5, it'll be big but not a bigger deal than GT3 comparatively was (unlike KZ2 vs KZ1 or GOW3 vs GOW1/2).
Plus there's been definite genre fatigue for sim racers in America, and in Japan pretty much almost all PS3 games have seen significant declines from what they were doing on PS2 (with a few exceptions like Yakuza or Atelier). I wpould say GT5's basically guaranteed to do less than GT3 (or GT4 even) in both markets, which leaves any chance of recovery entirely on Europe's shoulders. :/
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i'm really not sure what you are trying to get at. you say that not every single ps2 franchise is up, just the ones with prominence. well no crap, the franchises sony currently pushes are doing well and the ones they are ignoring are dying. franchises die all the time, all franchises will die eventually. the important part is that GT was and continues to be sony's most predominate franchise which puts it in good company with the other franchises that have done better than before like KZ2, GoW, MGS, and amazingly to me RE despite being mulitplat and sellng amazingly on the 360. GT5:prologue is doing amazing with great legs still today and that doesn't even include whatever was sold as DLC.
whatever, mark my words, quote me, bet me. GT5 will hit 10M and neither of us can be proven right/wrong until GT5 finally releases.
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You've misunderstood me, I'm not saying only the ones with prominence are up. I'm saying only the ones with more prominence than last gen are up. And GT5 won't be in that camp.
Also, MGS4 undersold MGS2 (each being the generational franchise debut), and RECVX and RE4 each came a year late to PS2 while RE5 came day-and-date to PS3. If RE5 released just last month for the first time on PS3, how high do you think sales would get?
GT5P's done really well, but the context surrounding it's release is most similar to GT3 than anything (franchise debut, heavy bundling). I think if GT5's bundled as well it may hit 10m (and knowing Sony, it likely will be), but if it's not it won't. No matter what though, I think it has pretty much no chance of hitting GT3 numbers, though it could pass GT4.
