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Smashed on 10 April 2010
Damnyouall said:
CommonMan said:
jneul said:
sigh, here we go... people who are moaning about linux removal are being a bit short sighted, if they can't see Sony did this to protect us all from hackers, then they are truly blinded, if you like spyware, viruses and having personal information stolen way to go for you.
I think GeoHotz should pay this bill, Go Sony!!

This is a good one, Sony is our shield from teh bad guyz! This probably one of the more polite responses you'll see Damnyouall, but good on you for posting this. Bold, brave decision. Good luck to you!

Thanks. Yeah, funny, Sony protecting us, hahaha. This almost makes me think some people are brainwashed.

The fact remains that taking away Other OS was wrong (morally, legally), no matter from what perspective you look at it, and it won't stop any hacks. Sony should just reverse their decission before it costs them a whole lot of money. I wonder why some companies find it so hard to admit a mistake and only learn the hard way.

OH NO!

Because what... like less than a percent of PS3 users actually USE OtherOS?

Dude, give it up, you don't care about OtherOS. I've seen you post, all YOU want is too see the PS3 being able to play pirated games.

If you cared about OtherOS that much, you'd be much more concerned on WHY they took it away in the first place.



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bowspearer on 10 April 2010
ShadowSnake said:

lol there's no way amazon would do this all on their own. either its already been decided in court that sony needs to send refunds or that amazon already got an agreement w/ sony. a retailer would never part with cash before it was official unless they weren't the ones covering the costs. what reason does amazon have to lose 20% of their income on the console for a problem sony created?

 

so basically the way i see it is we all get refunds or none of us will (and by all i mean including non-amazoners)

 

Actually it's more of an issue for Sony than that. Amazon may well have known they had no choice but to do a partial refund under their own legal consumer obligations. That said, they would almost certainly demand that Sony reimburse them and should Sony refuse, defpending on how much Amazon lose they not only would likely sue Sony but remove all Sony products from sale. This in turn, as Amazon are arguably the world's most well known online retailer, the effect would only snowball, causing Sony massive issues in being able to get their products into stores. This in turn would affect sales globally and in turn stock prices- which at that point becomes a very self-destructive cycle. I think Sony are praying that this goes away. Sadly it wont happen- expect Sony to possibly go the way of Sega after this whole debarcle.



Damnyouall on 10 April 2010
bowspearer said:

expect Sony to possibly go the way of Sega after this whole debarcle.

Say what?



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KingFate on 10 April 2010

I am curious to see what people do with CFW, while I myself don't enjoy it nor do I support it they have some interesting things. It's just like PCP, sure I'd never do nor support it but people can do some really crazy things while on it.



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KingFate on 10 April 2010
Damnyouall said:
bowspearer said:

expect Sony to possibly go the way of Sega after this whole debarcle.

Say what?

He is suggesting this will hurt Sony and Amazon relationship. Where Sony and Amazon lose on some deals making it difficult for Sony to sell things on a mass market. Thus hurting Sony products sales which will cause their stock to plummet. At least that is what I got from it.



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johnsobas on 10 April 2010
bowspearer said:
ShadowSnake said:

lol there's no way amazon would do this all on their own. either its already been decided in court that sony needs to send refunds or that amazon already got an agreement w/ sony. a retailer would never part with cash before it was official unless they weren't the ones covering the costs. what reason does amazon have to lose 20% of their income on the console for a problem sony created?

 

so basically the way i see it is we all get refunds or none of us will (and by all i mean including non-amazoners)

 

Actually it's more of an issue for Sony than that. Amazon may well have known they had no choice but to do a partial refund under their own legal consumer obligations. That said, they would almost certainly demand that Sony reimburse them and should Sony refuse, defpending on how much Amazon lose they not only would likely sue Sony but remove all Sony products from sale. This in turn, as Amazon are arguably the world's most well known online retailer, the effect would only snowball, causing Sony massive issues in being able to get their products into stores. This in turn would affect sales globally and in turn stock prices- which at that point becomes a very self-destructive cycle. I think Sony are praying that this goes away. Sadly it wont happen- expect Sony to possibly go the way of Sega after this whole debarcle.

amazon would have to lose a LOT of money to decide to stop carrying ps3 products.  They make quite a bit of money from it, but if it were to become very widespread it could reach that point but it's really unlikely.  Amazon had to refund 84 pounds, and they probably only made something like 3 pounds on each PS3.  Sounds bad but if it doesn't become widespread it isn't a problem for amazon.  There are other things amazon can do though, they can stop the promotion of PS3 products, they can stock less, stop special deals, promote multiplatform games as 360 games etc.   



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bowspearer on 10 April 2010
johnsobas said:
bowspearer said:
ShadowSnake said:

lol there's no way amazon would do this all on their own. either its already been decided in court that sony needs to send refunds or that amazon already got an agreement w/ sony. a retailer would never part with cash before it was official unless they weren't the ones covering the costs. what reason does amazon have to lose 20% of their income on the console for a problem sony created?

 

so basically the way i see it is we all get refunds or none of us will (and by all i mean including non-amazoners)

 

Actually it's more of an issue for Sony than that. Amazon may well have known they had no choice but to do a partial refund under their own legal consumer obligations. That said, they would almost certainly demand that Sony reimburse them and should Sony refuse, defpending on how much Amazon lose they not only would likely sue Sony but remove all Sony products from sale. This in turn, as Amazon are arguably the world's most well known online retailer, the effect would only snowball, causing Sony massive issues in being able to get their products into stores. This in turn would affect sales globally and in turn stock prices- which at that point becomes a very self-destructive cycle. I think Sony are praying that this goes away. Sadly it wont happen- expect Sony to possibly go the way of Sega after this whole debarcle.

amazon would have to lose a LOT of money to decide to stop carrying ps3 products.  They make quite a bit of money from it, but if it were to become very widespread it could reach that point but it's really unlikely.  Amazon had to refund 84 pounds, and they probably only made something like 3 pounds on each PS3.  Sounds bad but if it doesn't become widespread it isn't a problem for amazon.  There are other things amazon can do though, they can stop the promotion of PS3 products, they can stock less, stop special deals, promote multiplatform games as 360 games etc.   

That's one hell of a presumption. This happened with a unit out of warranty in europe- that precedent opens up the floodgates not just for every "phat" owner who bought from amazon but from for every "phat" owner everywhere. Right now it's only 84 pounds, but in the coming weeks it would be highly surprising if he wasn't one of many people who come claiming a refund. Also that kind of refusal to carry stock would snowball when it becomes not just Amazon but gaming retailers everywhere refusing to carry sony products. Sony would eventually have to back down because in reality they would lose alot more money from noone carrying their products. Not to mntion the long term damage to Sony as a brandname.



johnsobas on 10 April 2010
bowspearer said:
johnsobas said:
bowspearer said:
ShadowSnake said:

lol there's no way amazon would do this all on their own. either its already been decided in court that sony needs to send refunds or that amazon already got an agreement w/ sony. a retailer would never part with cash before it was official unless they weren't the ones covering the costs. what reason does amazon have to lose 20% of their income on the console for a problem sony created?

 

so basically the way i see it is we all get refunds or none of us will (and by all i mean including non-amazoners)

 

Actually it's more of an issue for Sony than that. Amazon may well have known they had no choice but to do a partial refund under their own legal consumer obligations. That said, they would almost certainly demand that Sony reimburse them and should Sony refuse, defpending on how much Amazon lose they not only would likely sue Sony but remove all Sony products from sale. This in turn, as Amazon are arguably the world's most well known online retailer, the effect would only snowball, causing Sony massive issues in being able to get their products into stores. This in turn would affect sales globally and in turn stock prices- which at that point becomes a very self-destructive cycle. I think Sony are praying that this goes away. Sadly it wont happen- expect Sony to possibly go the way of Sega after this whole debarcle.

amazon would have to lose a LOT of money to decide to stop carrying ps3 products.  They make quite a bit of money from it, but if it were to become very widespread it could reach that point but it's really unlikely.  Amazon had to refund 84 pounds, and they probably only made something like 3 pounds on each PS3.  Sounds bad but if it doesn't become widespread it isn't a problem for amazon.  There are other things amazon can do though, they can stop the promotion of PS3 products, they can stock less, stop special deals, promote multiplatform games as 360 games etc.   

That's one hell of a presumption. This happened with a unit out of warranty in europe- that precedent opens up the floodgates not just for every "phat" owner who bought from amazon but from for every "phat" owner everywhere. Right now it's only 84 pounds, but in the coming weeks it would be highly surprising if he wasn't one of many people who come claiming a refund. Also that kind of refusal to carry stock would snowball when it becomes not just Amazon but gaming retailers everywhere refusing to carry sony products. Sony would eventually have to back down because in reality they would lose alot more money from noone carrying their products. Not to mntion the long term damage to Sony as a brandname.

we'll have to wait and see if it gets that far and if other retailers jump on board.  I'm sure thousands tried to get the refund once the article came out, i've heard most people were denied so far. 



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jneul on 10 April 2010
Smashed said:
Damnyouall said:
CommonMan said:
jneul said:
sigh, here we go... people who are moaning about linux removal are being a bit short sighted, if they can't see Sony did this to protect us all from hackers, then they are truly blinded, if you like spyware, viruses and having personal information stolen way to go for you.
I think GeoHotz should pay this bill, Go Sony!!

This is a good one, Sony is our shield from teh bad guyz! This probably one of the more polite responses you'll see Damnyouall, but good on you for posting this. Bold, brave decision. Good luck to you!

Thanks. Yeah, funny, Sony protecting us, hahaha. This almost makes me think some people are brainwashed.

The fact remains that taking away Other OS was wrong (morally, legally), no matter from what perspective you look at it, and it won't stop any hacks. Sony should just reverse their decission before it costs them a whole lot of money. I wonder why some companies find it so hard to admit a mistake and only learn the hard way.

OH NO!

Because what... like less than a percent of PS3 users actually USE OtherOS?

Dude, give it up, you don't care about OtherOS. I've seen you post, all YOU want is too see the PS3 being able to play pirated games.

If you cared about OtherOS that much, you'd be much more concerned on WHY they took it away in the first place.

It's a conspiracy lol, I bet none of the moaners was bothered about OtherOs lol, in fact I bet lots of people will jump on the claims bandwagon for the amazon deal even tho they don't even use linux on their ps3, that is the trouble you see



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bowspearer on 10 April 2010
Damnyouall said:
bowspearer said:

expect Sony to possibly go the way of Sega after this whole debarcle.

Say what?

In the worst case scenario. If the precedent opens the floodgates, people with either make claims based on their country's consumer protection laws or launch class action suits on similar premises. That's just the legal front. The refund opens the floodgate to others to do the same which could result in several retailers being out of pocket and their natural response would be for Sony to foot the bill.

 

Now that alone, if it ammounts to millions, could make Sony think twice about releasing a PS4 or about even how long the support the PS3 for, possibly even liquidating that part of SCE.

 

However if Sony refuses to refund retailers, this would result in legal action from them, including a possible refusal to carry any and all Sony products. In countries where there are retail associations and lobby groups, it could result in losses of revenues on an national and even possibly a continental basis. This in turn would have a dire effect on stock prices, which wuld only fuel a downward spiral. Like I said, this has the potential to bury the Playstation brand and nail the coffin shut if Sony don't start taking careful note of the underlying legalities.