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papflesje on 08 April 2010
mirgro said:
steverhcp02 said:
mirgro said:
steverhcp02 said:
mirgro said:
Ok I just have to ask this question. Do the majority of you live under rocks or are you just not too informed about how technology works? Does no one know that the more a company touts its security features, the more it eggs on crackers to crack their software. Do people here also not realize that people will always want to crack into a system? They don't do it for monetary gain, they do it for the status and to jsut say they were the ones to crack a certain system. I mean seriously, these people have been around since the '80s, I can't believe there are people still somehow surprised enough to blame this one guy right now. Where have you all been for the past 30 years?

Right, i mean why blame the person responsible for something now when people have done similar things in different decades. You, my friend, are unparralleled in you logic.

Ya, know i always find it funny. I wonder how people would feel if someone who makes less money than them came to their home and stole their shit and just said "hey, youre better off than me, dont get mad"

People are detached from reality with this company image thing, the bad guys making all the money wont siffer from anything....console sales, software sales, piracy or anything, dont you people realize that after this economic meltdown. The people we love to hate keep getting their paychecks, its our neighbors and peers that suffer.

Yet all of these self righteous kids/adults whatever, come here argueing the legitmacy of defending this stuff.

Do you realize that maybe the problem is not with the people, but something underlying it? Maybe it's those companies view that they somehow own their hardware even after you pay for it and just overall restricting use to it? I mean, just something to think about there, if you are capable of such a thing.

Really, so i own my phone, the hardware, thus i own the phone company? I can tap into neighbors lines for free use since i bought a phone? Just because you own the means you still sign a user agreement to use the service of the PSN and abide by Sony's rules when using their servers.

Seriously.

Theres no problem underlying it. This delusion about trying to rationalize this scenerio is becoming ridiculous. Its not noble. Its not right. Its not warrented, your sense of entitlement for no reason is disturbing.

If you wanted to tap into the lines of others there is absolutely no reason someone should stop your phone from doing so. Maybe stop you, but not the phone. Same with the PS3.

I think you are a very confused individual because you seem to be calling me entitled when it's the companies who have a fucked up sort of mentality thinking that they are entitled to control their hardware and that it is somehow theirs after a sale. I am sorry, but no, it is not. You have some very fucked up sense of morality if you don't think so.

HAHAHAHAHA, yeah... I'll be sure to tell your family that the gun killed you, not me :p Great way to defend doing something illegal :p Blame it on the phone :p



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hollywood85 on 08 April 2010

are you people fucking serious................ the one's defending the hacker..... seriously?!?!
my mind = blown



hollywood85 on 08 April 2010
papflesje said:
mirgro said:
steverhcp02 said:
mirgro said:
steverhcp02 said:
mirgro said:
Ok I just have to ask this question. Do the majority of you live under rocks or are you just not too informed about how technology works? Does no one know that the more a company touts its security features, the more it eggs on crackers to crack their software. Do people here also not realize that people will always want to crack into a system? They don't do it for monetary gain, they do it for the status and to jsut say they were the ones to crack a certain system. I mean seriously, these people have been around since the '80s, I can't believe there are people still somehow surprised enough to blame this one guy right now. Where have you all been for the past 30 years?

Right, i mean why blame the person responsible for something now when people have done similar things in different decades. You, my friend, are unparralleled in you logic.

Ya, know i always find it funny. I wonder how people would feel if someone who makes less money than them came to their home and stole their shit and just said "hey, youre better off than me, dont get mad"

People are detached from reality with this company image thing, the bad guys making all the money wont siffer from anything....console sales, software sales, piracy or anything, dont you people realize that after this economic meltdown. The people we love to hate keep getting their paychecks, its our neighbors and peers that suffer.

Yet all of these self righteous kids/adults whatever, come here argueing the legitmacy of defending this stuff.

Do you realize that maybe the problem is not with the people, but something underlying it? Maybe it's those companies view that they somehow own their hardware even after you pay for it and just overall restricting use to it? I mean, just something to think about there, if you are capable of such a thing.

Really, so i own my phone, the hardware, thus i own the phone company? I can tap into neighbors lines for free use since i bought a phone? Just because you own the means you still sign a user agreement to use the service of the PSN and abide by Sony's rules when using their servers.

Seriously.

Theres no problem underlying it. This delusion about trying to rationalize this scenerio is becoming ridiculous. Its not noble. Its not right. Its not warrented, your sense of entitlement for no reason is disturbing.

If you wanted to tap into the lines of others there is absolutely no reason someone should stop your phone from doing so. Maybe stop you, but not the phone. Same with the PS3.

I think you are a very confused individual because you seem to be calling me entitled when it's the companies who have a fucked up sort of mentality thinking that they are entitled to control their hardware and that it is somehow theirs after a sale. I am sorry, but no, it is not. You have some very fucked up sense of morality if you don't think so.

HAHAHAHAHA, yeah... I'll be sure to tell your family that the gun killed you, not me :p Great way to defend doing something illegal :p Blame it on the phone :p

WOW, that is so EPIC WIN!!!! in so many ways dude, bravo



mirgro on 08 April 2010
papflesje said:
mirgro said:
 

If you wanted to tap into the lines of others there is absolutely no reason someone should stop your phone from doing so. Maybe stop you, but not the phone. Same with the PS3.

I think you are a very confused individual because you seem to be calling me entitled when it's the companies who have a fucked up sort of mentality thinking that they are entitled to control their hardware and that it is somehow theirs after a sale. I am sorry, but no, it is not. You have some very fucked up sense of morality if you don't think so.

HAHAHAHAHA, yeah... I'll be sure to tell your family that the gun killed you, not me :p Great way to defend doing something illegal :p Blame it on the phone :p

Please tell me you are not stupid enough to actually say that. Please, I'd like to keep what little faith of humanity I have left, and you are really not helping its case.

Next time you buy a knife, how would you feel if you were not allowed to have it sharp, because it could be used to stab someone with? Next time you buy a hammer what if it had the weight of a feather, because you can easily crush someone's skull with it? Next time you buy a car, should it be allowed to move at a top speed of 5 m/h because otherwise it can kill a person easily?

Now that I have spelled it out for the people who have yet to learn reading comprehension, now for vetteman.

Yeah, I forgot to devide an extra one time by 60. That is very much the case, when you have 6 digit passwords. I hope you are well aware that PSN encryption, and even just passwords these days, tend to be a much larger than just 6 hex numbers long. I am also well aware you know just how much those 282 trillion becomes with each tacked on number, and just how much slower a PS3, or networked ones, will brute force that.

Unless SONY is full of idiots, and I am not dscoutning that possibility at all at this point, you will not be able to brute force the encryption by using any sane amount of PS3s. If they are idiots, the problem lies with their inability to have the most basic of securities on their network at which point they are still to blame.



flowjo on 08 April 2010
Damnyouall said:
Good thing I haven't "downgraded" to 3.21 yet. I wonder if those who installed 3.21 on their phat PS3s feel a bit stupid now?

lol why would anyone feel stupid LOL i had no intention nor do i have future intentions of putting another os on my ps3 , i have a pc to run all types of other programs i want to use and i have no desire or need to access the cell in anyway



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fordy on 08 April 2010

I think a lot of people are failing to realise that there is more behind the cause of the OtherOS removal besides the hacking. Sure that helped, but did that mean the feature was unfixable? Of course not! A reasonable software layer between the OtherOS system and the native hardware could have prevented further hacking attempts.

So why aren't they doing it? It's not worth the money to them. The cost that it takes to keep their hypervisor drivers updated as well as maintaining a virtual layer are not being recovered anywhere. The security breach was just the excuse Sony needed to bail out of a costly department of the PlayStation 3.

A few notable quotes can be found at: http://gamesilike.com/?p=98



sieanr on 08 April 2010

I'm always amazed by how people can defend a company no matter how shitty and anti-consumer its policies are. But I guess some people just let brand loyalty blind them.



Leo-j said: If a dvd for a pc game holds what? Crysis at 3000p or something, why in the world cant a blu-ray disc do the same?

ssj12 said: Player specific decoders are nothing more than specialized GPUs. Gran Turismo is the trust driving simulator of them all. 

"Why do they call it the xbox 360? Because when you see it, you'll turn 360 degrees and walk away" 

piggychan on 08 April 2010

dunno if this been posted yet but if you live in europe.........

can probably try and claim money back from the retailer if you bought your ps3 before the update... and my gosh this will probably get ugly..

http://kotaku.com/5512880/playstation-3-owner-gets-a-100-refund-for-losing-linux



mirgro on 08 April 2010
piggychan said:

dunno if this been posted yet but if you live in europe.........

can probably try and claim money back from the retailer if you bought your ps3 before the update... and my gosh this will probably get ugly..

http://kotaku.com/5512880/playstation-3-owner-gets-a-100-refund-for-losing-linux

Oh this is perfect. If they can get someone like Amazon to go after SONY, then things couldn't get any better short of SONY rolling back the firmware.



deskpro2k3 on 09 April 2010

Whoever ruled for this guy is most likely against gaming imo. But seriously this is stupid.



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