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Squilliam on 06 April 2010
Seihyouken said:
nightsurge said:
MikeB said:
The XBox 360 shipped 38.7 million units by the end of 2009.
The PS3 sold to retail 33.5 million units by the end of 2009.

That's a 5.2 million gap.

The XBox 360 shipped 600K less units in 2009 than in 2008, if XBox 360 sales drop again by 600K in 2010 and the PS3 slim is able to achieve 15 million sales for 2010 as expected by many the PS3 will have overtaken the XBox 360 by the end of this year by a few hundred thousand units.

Lol, 360 drop by 600k again, even when this year it will have a slim, price drop, and console rebranding (and Natal)?  Not gonna happen.

PS3 15 million this year with no price drop, slim, or console rebranding this time (only Move this year)?  Not gonna happen.

An awful lot of assumptions you have there.

1. There's no guarantee that the slim will launch this year.
2. There's no guarantee that the 360 will have a price drop, especially if Microsoft plans to bundle Natal with every console.
3. There's no guarantee that Natal will move a significant amount of consoles.
4. There's no guarantee that PS3 won't have a price drop.

Also, I'd like to point out that I believe comparing the console moving potential of Halo: Reach vs. Gran Turismo 5 is silly. Halo has already had Halo 3, Halo Wars, and Halo 3: ODST all released on the 360, there really isn't a Halo fan that doesn't already own a 360. PS3 has Prologue, but there are millions of Gran Turismo fans that are waiting for Gran Turismo 5 before picking up PS3s.

1. Nope, but it is pretty likely.

2. Its extremely possible, even if they bundle Natal as the Primesense article indicates its not as expensive as previously thought. It all depends on how they approach the relaunch and if they consider taking losses on hardware in the short-term to be a worthwhile position to take.

3. Of course not, however the Xbox 360 had a noticeable spike in console sales the week after E3 last year.

4. Sony will like to be profitable at some point. Cutting the price again will likely keep the SCE division closer to the red than they would like. Shareholders can only take so much and at some point Sony would like a payback for their investment.

 



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nightsurge on 06 April 2010
Squilliam said:
Seihyouken said:
nightsurge said:
MikeB said:
The XBox 360 shipped 38.7 million units by the end of 2009.
The PS3 sold to retail 33.5 million units by the end of 2009.

That's a 5.2 million gap.

The XBox 360 shipped 600K less units in 2009 than in 2008, if XBox 360 sales drop again by 600K in 2010 and the PS3 slim is able to achieve 15 million sales for 2010 as expected by many the PS3 will have overtaken the XBox 360 by the end of this year by a few hundred thousand units.

Lol, 360 drop by 600k again, even when this year it will have a slim, price drop, and console rebranding (and Natal)?  Not gonna happen.

PS3 15 million this year with no price drop, slim, or console rebranding this time (only Move this year)?  Not gonna happen.

An awful lot of assumptions you have there.

1. There's no guarantee that the slim will launch this year.
2. There's no guarantee that the 360 will have a price drop, especially if Microsoft plans to bundle Natal with every console.
3. There's no guarantee that Natal will move a significant amount of consoles.
4. There's no guarantee that PS3 won't have a price drop.

Also, I'd like to point out that I believe comparing the console moving potential of Halo: Reach vs. Gran Turismo 5 is silly. Halo has already had Halo 3, Halo Wars, and Halo 3: ODST all released on the 360, there really isn't a Halo fan that doesn't already own a 360. PS3 has Prologue, but there are millions of Gran Turismo fans that are waiting for Gran Turismo 5 before picking up PS3s.

1. Nope, but it is pretty likely.

2. Its extremely possible, even if they bundle Natal as the Primesense article indicates its not as expensive as previously thought. It all depends on how they approach the relaunch and if they consider taking losses on hardware in the short-term to be a worthwhile position to take.

3. Of course not, however the Xbox 360 had a noticeable spike in console sales the week after E3 last year.

4. Sony will like to be profitable at some point. Cutting the price again will likely keep the SCE division closer to the red than they would like. Shareholders can only take so much and at some point Sony would like a payback for their investment.

 

This.  And while I know I may have talked more like it was fact, I obviously know they are only very likely and not guaranteed.  I also like how in your return argument you make assumptions yourself.  Such as all Halo fans have a 360 already (easy to prove that wrong considering I have at least 10 friends I can think of that love Halo but don't have a console at all yet).  You also assume that GT5 fans would be waiting all these 3.5+ years before getting a PS3.  You think they wouldn't have bought one by now to enjoy some other game?  There have been quite a few racing games released already, and it seems highly unlikely that so many people would be out there to get a PS3 for just one game.  That'd be a $300 investment to play just one $60 game... not very logical.



Jay520 on 06 April 2010
nightsurge said:
Squilliam said:
Seihyouken said:
nightsurge said:
MikeB said:
The XBox 360 shipped 38.7 million units by the end of 2009.
The PS3 sold to retail 33.5 million units by the end of 2009.

That's a 5.2 million gap.

The XBox 360 shipped 600K less units in 2009 than in 2008, if XBox 360 sales drop again by 600K in 2010 and the PS3 slim is able to achieve 15 million sales for 2010 as expected by many the PS3 will have overtaken the XBox 360 by the end of this year by a few hundred thousand units.

Lol, 360 drop by 600k again, even when this year it will have a slim, price drop, and console rebranding (and Natal)?  Not gonna happen.

PS3 15 million this year with no price drop, slim, or console rebranding this time (only Move this year)?  Not gonna happen.

An awful lot of assumptions you have there.

1. There's no guarantee that the slim will launch this year.
2. There's no guarantee that the 360 will have a price drop, especially if Microsoft plans to bundle Natal with every console.
3. There's no guarantee that Natal will move a significant amount of consoles.
4. There's no guarantee that PS3 won't have a price drop.

Also, I'd like to point out that I believe comparing the console moving potential of Halo: Reach vs. Gran Turismo 5 is silly. Halo has already had Halo 3, Halo Wars, and Halo 3: ODST all released on the 360, there really isn't a Halo fan that doesn't already own a 360. PS3 has Prologue, but there are millions of Gran Turismo fans that are waiting for Gran Turismo 5 before picking up PS3s.

1. Nope, but it is pretty likely.

2. Its extremely possible, even if they bundle Natal as the Primesense article indicates its not as expensive as previously thought. It all depends on how they approach the relaunch and if they consider taking losses on hardware in the short-term to be a worthwhile position to take.

3. Of course not, however the Xbox 360 had a noticeable spike in console sales the week after E3 last year.

4. Sony will like to be profitable at some point. Cutting the price again will likely keep the SCE division closer to the red than they would like. Shareholders can only take so much and at some point Sony would like a payback for their investment.

 

This.  And while I know I may have talked more like it was fact, I obviously know they are only very likely and not guaranteed.  I also like how in your return argument you make assumptions yourself.  Such as all Halo fans have a 360 already (easy to prove that wrong considering I have at least 10 friends I can think of that love Halo but don't have a console at all yet).  You also assume that GT5 fans would be waiting all these 3.5+ years before getting a PS3.  You think they wouldn't have bought one by now to enjoy some other game?  There have been quite a few racing games released already, and it seems highly unlikely that so many people would be out there to get a PS3 for just one game.  That'd be a $300 investment to play just one $60 game... not very logical.


Your 10 friends must not really be halo fans. The 360 isn't that hard to obtain and if Halo 3, ODST, and Wars didn't encourage them to buy one, then Halo Reach won't either. 



hunter_alien on 06 April 2010

Well, there are soooo many things that could go wrong for Sony... E3 cant come soon enough



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nightsurge on 06 April 2010
Jay520 said:
nightsurge said:
Squilliam said:
Seihyouken said:
nightsurge said:
MikeB said:
The XBox 360 shipped 38.7 million units by the end of 2009.
The PS3 sold to retail 33.5 million units by the end of 2009.

That's a 5.2 million gap.

The XBox 360 shipped 600K less units in 2009 than in 2008, if XBox 360 sales drop again by 600K in 2010 and the PS3 slim is able to achieve 15 million sales for 2010 as expected by many the PS3 will have overtaken the XBox 360 by the end of this year by a few hundred thousand units.

Lol, 360 drop by 600k again, even when this year it will have a slim, price drop, and console rebranding (and Natal)?  Not gonna happen.

PS3 15 million this year with no price drop, slim, or console rebranding this time (only Move this year)?  Not gonna happen.

An awful lot of assumptions you have there.

1. There's no guarantee that the slim will launch this year.
2. There's no guarantee that the 360 will have a price drop, especially if Microsoft plans to bundle Natal with every console.
3. There's no guarantee that Natal will move a significant amount of consoles.
4. There's no guarantee that PS3 won't have a price drop.

Also, I'd like to point out that I believe comparing the console moving potential of Halo: Reach vs. Gran Turismo 5 is silly. Halo has already had Halo 3, Halo Wars, and Halo 3: ODST all released on the 360, there really isn't a Halo fan that doesn't already own a 360. PS3 has Prologue, but there are millions of Gran Turismo fans that are waiting for Gran Turismo 5 before picking up PS3s.

1. Nope, but it is pretty likely.

2. Its extremely possible, even if they bundle Natal as the Primesense article indicates its not as expensive as previously thought. It all depends on how they approach the relaunch and if they consider taking losses on hardware in the short-term to be a worthwhile position to take.

3. Of course not, however the Xbox 360 had a noticeable spike in console sales the week after E3 last year.

4. Sony will like to be profitable at some point. Cutting the price again will likely keep the SCE division closer to the red than they would like. Shareholders can only take so much and at some point Sony would like a payback for their investment.

 

This.  And while I know I may have talked more like it was fact, I obviously know they are only very likely and not guaranteed.  I also like how in your return argument you make assumptions yourself.  Such as all Halo fans have a 360 already (easy to prove that wrong considering I have at least 10 friends I can think of that love Halo but don't have a console at all yet).  You also assume that GT5 fans would be waiting all these 3.5+ years before getting a PS3.  You think they wouldn't have bought one by now to enjoy some other game?  There have been quite a few racing games released already, and it seems highly unlikely that so many people would be out there to get a PS3 for just one game.  That'd be a $300 investment to play just one $60 game... not very logical.


Your 10 friends must not really be halo fans. The 360 isn't that hard to obtain and if Halo 3, ODST, and Wars didn't encourage them to buy one, then Halo Reach won't either. 

You do realize not everyone out there are big gamers.  My friends pretty much only play Halo at LAN parties, but they still love it.  You never know, maybe a new Halo game with a new storyline and everything will be what gets them to buy a 360.  That and an even cheaper price with more offerings like it should reach this fall.  See, that's the joy of games like Halo.  Offline play or play as guests on Xbox Live.  Splitscreen is something this gen is short on.

I bet there are thousands to maybe even millions of people out there without 360s that still play Halo on occassion with friends at LAN events of as Guests on Xbox Live.  You never know when those people could finally buy a 360 and discover even more games they like.



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Steve_Fox on 06 April 2010

haha at least Now xbox fanboys ACcept that it will happen



Euphoria14 on 06 April 2010
kowenicki said:
ProdigyBam said:
kowenicki said:
ProdigyBam said:
The 360 Fans are always like "oh but PS3 had GoW3, the shortages dont exist"
But they seem to forget that the 360 had a 129$ Arcade deal in Canada the same week and the 50$ Giftcard deal, when you buy the Elite Spring Bundle (with forza 3 and halo odst for 299) which alone is fking cheap

this week you could get 360 arcade with a free controller for 160$ on amazon and dell but nobody is talking about that, only about the ps3 having exclusives like GoW3 and heavy rain in the last month


and canada is.. what... ? 10% of the americas market.  no big deal.

Yeah, ignoring the rest of the post like always

please kownicki, dont respond to my posts, such dumb answers (imo) just make me sad, i mean, how can someone like you be a contributor?

my pleasure.  

You really did kinda ignore the rest of his post though.

$50 Giftcard with Elite + Halo ODST + Forza 3 $299.99 bundle was fom Gamestop, in the US. I am sure that shifted quite a few units.



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Brennan on 07 April 2010

I think considering PS3 is already crushing 360 in worldwide sales by 100k per week, it will overtake 360 in total install base before the end of this year.

In exclusives quality and quantity, it took over long ago though.



STEKSTAV on 07 April 2010

Same old people out there fighting it out about whos dad's the strongest. Sad. Really..



Rickz0r on 07 April 2010
nightsurge said:
MikeB said:
@ nightsurge

Is a XBox 360 slim already confirmed?

I think Playstation Move and Gran Turismo 5 may have a positive impact this year.

Its as confirmed as the PS3 Slim was this time last year.  Everyone thought those pics and videos were fake only to be proven real.  Now the 360 slim has even more reliable evidence than the PS3 Slim did so yes I believe it is a certainty.

As for PS Move and GT5, those will be countered by Natal and Halo: Reach.  But as I said, MS will be the one with more momentum driving changes this year so you will see it likely sell a few million more than any year so far and the PS3 will sell 13 million or less.

@Bolded. So it's a fact that MS will have more momentum driving this year? Wouldn't be so sure about that.. Also, you're saying that MS will sell 13 Million + (2 Millions higher then the 360 ever sold in a year) ? That's what the Ps3 did last year. And the 360 is off to a bad start: Since the Slim the 360 is being beaten almost every week. You really think Natal is going to change that all? Stay realistisc, with only natal and some, without a doubt, great games to support it, Microsoft isn't going to sell 13 million.