mhsillen said: Torillian said: adsl said: I enjoyed Final Fantasy Crystal Bearers too and it deserves a better reviews. Since it is a Wii game the reviewers just don't like it. Wii has already a very strong and diverse library, unique titles like FFCB, RS2, NMH2 and Just Dance keep coming, but you know that they will have bad reviews only because they aren't hd titles... And all those pages and pages that reviewers wrote about the game as to why they thought it deserved the score they gave?  Was that all just a front so they could mask their bias?  What a bunch of BS. Yes thats correct, they don't like the WII and they have biases for it They can frame the game incorrectly and then write pages and pages of bullshit So it is possible that what you posted could in fact be bullshit

possible that one or two people do that?  sure.  But it's amazingly unlikely that all reviewers are doing that.  I'll tell you right now that isn't how I reviewed the game. 

Why is it people ignore that Wii games can get great reviews?  People love to talk about how SMG is the highest reviewed game of the generation, but apparently reviewers don't like anything on the Wii. 

Torillian said: adsl said: I enjoyed Final Fantasy Crystal Bearers too and it deserves a better reviews. Since it is a Wii game the reviewers just don't like it. Wii has already a very strong and diverse library, unique titles like FFCB, RS2, NMH2 and Just Dance keep coming, but you know that they will have bad reviews only because they aren't hd titles... And all those pages and pages that reviewers wrote about the game as to why they thought it deserved the score they gave?  Was that all just a front so they could mask their bias?  What a bunch of BS.

Actually, yes, it is a front. They always compare it to what "could have been" (or in their eyes, "should" have been) on the PS3 or 360. Since the graphics aren't as good, they dock it points right there. Add in quite a few of them who whine about "the waggle", others whining about the "casualness" of its games, and the ones that just in general don't like Nintendo, and they'll skew the words however they can to trash a Wii game.

What they are not doing is reviewing for the people who care about the game. They're reviewing based on where they want to see gaming go, ie, a stagnant and slowly shrinking red ocean. Yes, there's the occasional blockbuster that makes gaming seem larger than ever, but in general, games are not selling as well as developers need, and they're going out of business as a result. But the Wii requires companies to shift how they do things- "they" meaning publishers, developers, and yes, reviewers. Rather than do that, they'll slight the Wii, trashtalk it, do what they can in hopes that someone picks up on this and decides to not get a Wii, getting something else instead. It becomes another person that they can sell the same old tricks to. All because they just don't want to change.

EDIT IN REPLY TO POST ABOVE THIS: You mention some Nintendo games as getting high scores. I'll counter that by referencing my first line- what could be on the HD systems. They know that Nintendo won't make a game for someone else. So they can't compare it to something else, and actually have to review it based on its merits. This results in the higher scores, and, for Nintendo's better games, also allows them to help perpetuate the "belief" that only Nintendo games sell on Nintendo systems, and that "we can't compete with Nintendo." Get the smaller guys to give up, go HD, and keep fueling what they want. Gotta take some lumps to get what you want; giving Nintendo's own games good scores, while usually deserving, is the easiest, and feeds another slight.

@pots555: Where is this Fragile cult? I think I need to go join it...

Torillian said: mhsillen said: Torillian said: adsl said: I enjoyed Final Fantasy Crystal Bearers too and it deserves a better reviews. Since it is a Wii game the reviewers just don't like it. Wii has already a very strong and diverse library, unique titles like FFCB, RS2, NMH2 and Just Dance keep coming, but you know that they will have bad reviews only because they aren't hd titles... And all those pages and pages that reviewers wrote about the game as to why they thought it deserved the score they gave?  Was that all just a front so they could mask their bias?  What a bunch of BS. Yes thats correct, they don't like the WII and they have biases for it They can frame the game incorrectly and then write pages and pages of bullshit So it is possible that what you posted could in fact be bullshit possible that one or two people do that?  sure.  But it's amazingly unlikely that all reviewers are doing that.  I'll tell you right now that isn't how I reviewed the game.  Why is it people ignore that Wii games can get great reviews?  People love to talk about how SMG is the highest reviewed game of the generation, but apparently reviewers don't like anything on the Wii.

Yeah I don't think the reviewers necessarily have an anti-Wii bias. It's just that their tastes don't necessarily match up with the people who like Crystal Bearers, Fragile, Lets Dance, etc. They definitely loved SMG and that is a Wii game. The reviewers tend to be more likely to prefer the type of games you see on the 360 and PS3 but that doesn't mean that they are biased against the Wii. If there is a game on the Wii that they like (ie. SMG, RE4 Wii), they will rate it favorably. It has nothing to do with console bias.

I'm sure Lair and Haze are fun too. But no one will ever know because PS3 owners are too busy with all their 85+ games.

Welcome to the club. I joined it when critics called Disaster: Day of Crisis a crap game. Mofos.

dunno001 said: Torillian said: adsl said: I enjoyed Final Fantasy Crystal Bearers too and it deserves a better reviews. Since it is a Wii game the reviewers just don't like it. Wii has already a very strong and diverse library, unique titles like FFCB, RS2, NMH2 and Just Dance keep coming, but you know that they will have bad reviews only because they aren't hd titles... And all those pages and pages that reviewers wrote about the game as to why they thought it deserved the score they gave?  Was that all just a front so they could mask their bias?  What a bunch of BS. Actually, yes, it is a front. They always compare it to what "could have been" (or in their eyes, "should" have been) on the PS3 or 360. Since the graphics aren't as good, they dock it points right there. Add in quite a few of them who whine about "the waggle", others whining about the "casualness" of its games, and the ones that just in general don't like Nintendo, and they'll skew the words however they can to trash a Wii game. What they are not doing is reviewing for the people who care about the game. They're reviewing based on where they want to see gaming go, ie, a stagnant and slowly shrinking red ocean. Yes, there's the occasional blockbuster that makes gaming seem larger than ever, but in general, games are not selling as well as developers need, and they're going out of business as a result. But the Wii requires companies to shift how they do things- "they" meaning publishers, developers, and yes, reviewers. Rather than do that, they'll slight the Wii, trashtalk it, do what they can in hopes that someone picks up on this and decides to not get a Wii, getting something else instead. It becomes another person that they can sell the same old tricks to. All because they just don't want to change. EDIT IN REPLY TO POST ABOVE THIS: You mention some Nintendo games as getting high scores. I'll counter that by referencing my first line- what could be on the HD systems. They know that Nintendo won't make a game for someone else. So they can't compare it to something else, and actually have to review it based on its merits. This results in the higher scores, and, for Nintendo's better games, also allows them to help perpetuate the "belief" that only Nintendo games sell on Nintendo systems, and that "we can't compete with Nintendo." Get the smaller guys to give up, go HD, and keep fueling what they want. Gotta take some lumps to get what you want; giving Nintendo's own games good scores, while usually deserving, is the easiest, and feeds another slight. @pots555: Where is this Fragile cult? I think I need to go join it...

And what about Cave Story, Little King's Story, NMH2, World of Goo?  Did reviewers just not want those on HD consoles so they gave them undeservingly high scores for no reason?

Disagreeing with reviews is natural, everyone has their view on things and it makes complete sense not to take reviews as gospel.  On the other hand, believing that there's some anti-Wii conspiracy to try and take it down is just borderline insane.

Torillian said: adsl said: I enjoyed Final Fantasy Crystal Bearers too and it deserves a better reviews. Since it is a Wii game the reviewers just don't like it. Wii has already a very strong and diverse library, unique titles like FFCB, RS2, NMH2 and Just Dance keep coming, but you know that they will have bad reviews only because they aren't hd titles... And all those pages and pages that reviewers wrote about the game as to why they thought it deserved the score they gave?  Was that all just a front so they could mask their bias?  What a bunch of BS.

Often what they write is a bunch of b.s.. It's not unheard of for game reviewers to "review" games that they haven't even played. In fact, from the retractions this generation, and the sheer epic size of many titles these days, it's becoming more of a trend.

And I wish more gamers could have been around for the old guard of video game coverage. Back before the internet you would have magazines like EGM, and you never got the feeling from any of them that they had a horse in the race. But things aren't the same now, and companies have tons of money riding on the line with their HD costs, so these days it's all about the $$$.

Torillian said: mhsillen said: Torillian said: adsl said: I enjoyed Final Fantasy Crystal Bearers too and it deserves a better reviews. Since it is a Wii game the reviewers just don't like it. Wii has already a very strong and diverse library, unique titles like FFCB, RS2, NMH2 and Just Dance keep coming, but you know that they will have bad reviews only because they aren't hd titles... And all those pages and pages that reviewers wrote about the game as to why they thought it deserved the score they gave?  Was that all just a front so they could mask their bias?  What a bunch of BS. Yes thats correct, they don't like the WII and they have biases for it They can frame the game incorrectly and then write pages and pages of bullshit So it is possible that what you posted could in fact be bullshit possible that one or two people do that?  sure.  But it's amazingly unlikely that all reviewers are doing that.  I'll tell you right now that isn't how I reviewed the game.  Why is it people ignore that Wii games can get great reviews?  People love to talk about how SMG is the highest reviewed game of the generation, but apparently reviewers don't like anything on the Wii.

They like SMG because it is what they consider "hardcore" 

But if a game doesn't fall into there narrow def of hardcore then they don't like it out of the box.

For example Just dance got brutal reviews with comments such as it has bad control response

That is the biggest bunch of shit as I have played this game

these reviewers have been caught barely touching a game then giving it a "thorough" review.

These same reviewers will call nintendo lazy when the release NSMBwii and then shoot their wad over another FPS from microsoft and sony.

they blab oh look how original this new halo game is.

 

KylieDog said: Bionic Commando and Dark Void are actually very enjoyable.

I don't know if you will agree with me on this too, but Dark Sector was enjoyable as well.

Kage848 said: Lets face it, if your a Wii gamer you might as well stop reading reviews. I have come to this conclusion a long time ago.

That's not strictly true. 3D Mario/Metroid and other 'core' games are usually reviewed higher than they should be. Wii games that might be considered 'casua'l or 'party' games (arcade and local multiplayer as we used to call them) are reviewed lower. This is especially true if it's a Nintendo game.

The two best local multiplayer games this generation ever, Mario Kart Wii and NSMB Wii are considered party or casual games by the metaluvvies.