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Sony's Removal of "Other OS" May Be Against EU Law

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mirgro on 30 March 2010
strunge said:
mirgro said:
strunge said:
mirgro said:
Khuutra said:
Tridrakious said:
It's Sony's machine. Technically they can do whatever they with it. By playing it, you've agreed to their Terms and Services.

While it sucks that Sony is taking away a feature from the system. GET OVER IT!

Again: if the ToS go against trade laws, then the ToS is not valid.

I don't know if it's actually against trade laws, but the EULA and the ToS won't mean diddly poop if they go against EU law.

What a voice of reason in the thread.

I don't think people realize that what SONY is doing is a horrible practice. I am willing to bet my ass on the line that if SONY said tomorrow "We're gonna remove the ability of the PS3 to play games." Most of you will start bitching about it, well on this stie everyone will spin it like it's amazing and how it should be done, but enough digressing. Removing the Linux capability is the exact same thing as removing the ability to play games or run Bluray discs.

While the cell processor was not all that great for video games, it's absolutely amazing for outright brute force calculations? As such, the PS3 is a far better machine for computing and data centers than a gaming device. The linux allowed all that to be used, and I am betting my left nut that there are people who are indeed using the PS3 as such. Now they will be all screwed.

no, it isn't the same, it is a ridiculous extreme and any argument dependent on extremes is inherently a flawed argument.  logic dictates that.  of course, you have to ignore the fact that Sony isn't removing the ability, the user is removing the ability by voluntarily downloading an optional update.

the user is more than entitled to continue to use his machine as is as it functions today without any additional features Sony provides to increase the efficency and performance of the machine.  but you don't have to upgrade your machine and are more than welcome to maintain it in its current form if it suits your needs. 

I don't see how it is taking it to the extreme. Just like some people bought a PS3 to p[lay games or watch movies, others actually wanted to exploit its computational power. I know of at least one person on a college campus who uses PS3s as such.

Again, outline how removing Linux is somehow different than removing the ability to play games or watch movies?

because it ignores the fact that the PS3 is being sold as a video game and blu ray system.  removing those features removes what the systems function is.  the Other OS wasn't what the PS3 it, is is simply an additional feature.  removing the other OS is equivalent to removing the option to change themes and upload music, not ceasing to allow the machine to perform its primary function. big difference between the two.

not to mention Sony isn't removing it, the user is.  the fact that you confuse the two reveals your confusion about the entire scenario and why you are trying to confuse features with function.  

You know, the support for Linux was written under the same calssification as games and movies. Sure it didn't get as much marketing, but it was there. So I don't quite see your point. It's a feature they used in the same sentences as games and movies. Spin it however you will, it's the same thing.



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Seihyouken on 30 March 2010

Bottomline is, it's not Sony removing OtherOS. It's the user by choosing to install the firmware that is offered by Sony. Not doing so does have the consequence of not being able to play new PS3 games in the future, but until Sony advertises the PS3 being able to play new games following the update while still using the OtherOS feature, they they aren't violating any laws.



Nomad Blue on 30 March 2010
mirgro said:

I don't see how it is taking it to the extreme. Just like some people bought a PS3 to p[lay games or watch movies, others actually wanted to exploit its computational power. I know of at least one person on a college campus who uses PS3s as such.

Again, outline how removing Linux is somehow different than removing the ability to play games or watch movies?

If they're using it on a Uni campus for that purpose then why would they need to update the PS3?



Ail on 30 March 2010

Once again, ppls solely using PS3 for Linux capacity are most likely still running with the firmware their PS3 shipped with.
When you get something going you don't want to mess it up as a developer/researcher...



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Nomad Blue on 30 March 2010
Damnyouall said:
Nomad Blue said:

But you don't have to install the firmware update?

You have to, otherwise you will lose access to features such as playing new games, new Blu Rays and access to PSN, which you are entitled to according to the EU directive quoted above.

Does it say that, when you buy a PS3, that you will be able to play any and all new games released for the PS3 system until the end of it's life without having to update your PS3?

Explain to me how you're entitled to access to PSN?



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Ail on 30 March 2010
Nomad Blue said:
Damnyouall said:
Nomad Blue said:

But you don't have to install the firmware update?

You have to, otherwise you will lose access to features such as playing new games, new Blu Rays and access to PSN, which you are entitled to according to the EU directive quoted above.

Does it say that, when you buy a PS3, that you will be able to play any and all new games released for the PS3 system until the end of it's life without having to update your PS3?

Explain to me how you're entitled to access to PSN?

So are you going to sue too every MMORPG maker in the world each time they close servers or for the matter every company selling a multiplayer game that suddenly closes their servers, removing the multiplayer feature at the same time ?

 

Just wondering.......



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binary solo on 30 March 2010

Oh no! A company breaks an obscure, little known consumer law which no one is going to bother challenging in court because it would cost waaaaayyyyy more than its worth just to try to prove a point; and in all likelihood the challenge would fail under the weight of the number of lawyers Sony would throw at the complainant

That's never happened before.

Shit if companies are willing to break safety laws that can lead to people's deaths then doing this doesn't even rate as a corporate misdeed.



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Epoch on 30 March 2010

@Binary  -  Bahahah, nice post. Thats very true.

The more I think about this, the more it seems like a clever April fools joke.  It makes almost no sense to do this, particularly if the sole purpose is to prevent hacking/modding.  Why not simply do what MS does and ban people who go online with their hacked PS3 ?  All this update will accomplish is pissing a bunch of legitimate users off, while those who are intending to mod (whenever this becomes possible... say in a year or two) their PS3 simply wont update anyways.  And those writing the hacks/mods (If they do indeed use Linux for this) certainly won't update their console.  Its a no win situation, and makes no sense from Sony's standpoint.  Thus the most likely outcome is: publicity stunt for April Fools.

Also: The date people, the DATE



Sekishu on 30 March 2010
Epoch said:

@Binary  -  Bahahah, nice post. Thats very true.

The more I think about this, the more it seems like a clever April fools joke.  It makes almost no sense to do this, particularly if the sole purpose is to prevent hacking/modding.  Why not simply do what MS does and ban people who go online with their hacked PS3 ?  All this update will accomplish is pissing a bunch of legitimate users off, while those who are intending to mod (whenever this becomes possible... say in a year or two) their PS3 simply wont update anyways.  And those writing the hacks/mods (If they do indeed use Linux for this) certainly won't update their console.  Its a no win situation, and makes no sense from Sony's standpoint.  Thus the most likely outcome is: publicity stunt for April Fools.

Also: The date people, the DATE

I don't think it's an april fools' joke. Firstly, it's too early for April's fool. Secondly, I don't think they dare to joke around with a public announcement.



Damnyouall on 31 March 2010
binary solo said:
Oh no! A company breaks an obscure, little known consumer law which no one is going to bother challenging in court because it would cost waaaaayyyyy more than its worth just to try to prove a point; and in all likelihood the challenge would fail under the weight of the number of lawyers Sony would throw at the complainant

That's never happened before.

Shit if companies are willing to break safety laws that can lead to people's deaths then doing this doesn't even rate as a corporate misdeed.

Joking? It's not "obscure" and "little known".

Yes, they break such laws. And get punished for it.

Just so you know, there's a little thing called legal protection insurance. Some people happen to have one. At least one of those insurance companies has already (yesterday) accepted the claim as being legitimate and is going to pay for a trial against Sony in Germany.



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