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Sony's Removal of "Other OS" May Be Against EU Law

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Damnyouall on 06 April 2010

By the way, this thread is an awesome daftness indicator. Someone should create a list of everyone who posted here for future reference, and note which side they were on.

Hint: mirgro, yanamaster, Hobson, etc: You win :D



"Well certainly with the Xbox 360, we had some challenges at the launch. Once we identified that we took control of it. We wanted to do it right by our customers. Our customers are very important to us." -Larry "Major Nelson" Hryb (10/2013). Note: RRoD was fixed with the Jasper-revision 3 years after the launch of 360

"People don't pay attention to a lot of the details."-Yusuf Mehdi explaining why Xbone DRM scheme would succeed

"Fortunately we have a product for people who aren't able to get some form of connectivity; it's called Xbox 360,”-Don Mattrick

"The region locking of the 3DS wasn't done for profits on games"-MDMAlliance

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Vetteman94 on 06 April 2010
Damnyouall said:
By the way, this thread is an awesome daftness indicator. Someone should create a list of everyone who posted here for future reference, and note which side they were on.

Hint: mirgro, yanamaster, Hobson, etc: You win :D


Agreed,  dont forget your name on that list as well



Nomad Blue on 06 April 2010
yanamaster said:
It is more than apparent that Sony is breaking consumer rights with their actions. I actually had a talk with my law professor detailing him on the whole process (note that he is an expert in EU law) and claims that for the EU it does not matter if we agreed to the ToS or EULA regulations if they are illegal to begin with.

The reason behind this is to not allow corporations from oversees to abuse customer rights. Very logical when you consider that companies like to treat all their costumers by the same rules disregarding the different countries customer care policies.

And Sony is disregarding EU nations laws with this act, i have never heard of some company taking away a feature that you paid for after even advertising it so much. Even more so by forcing the owners to do so. Sonys actions will be seen illegal, that much is certain.

And frankly this whole "throw it out, who cares about the otherOS" attitude going around the sony fans is really childish. This is exactly why we have certain laws saying that minority rights will be respected. Really, never have so many been so wrong in such a simple matter.

They're not "taking it away" or "forcing" though, which seems to be overlooked by quite a few people when they make their arguments.  Also, companies take away features from products all the time, Windows OS has features/functionality taken away when you install some updates and support packs, as does Enterprise software(which companies pay millions(sometimes hundreds of millions for) and I don't see them suing...).

When and how was the other OS capability "advertised so much"?

What is your proof that Sony's act is disregarding EU law, other than a conversation with your law professor who I doubt was presented with the full facts and had time to study the "case"?



Damnyouall on 09 April 2010

UPDATE:
Apparently Amazon's European lawyers know their trade. Someone just managed to get a 20% refund (and keep the console) as compensation for the removal of Linux.
http://www.playstationuniversity.com/ps3-owner-refunded-without-return-for-missing-other-os-3555/
As forseen in this very thread.

So much for EULA-shmeula and TOS-shmos.

And don't think Amazon will just east up those costs. It's going to get interesting now.



"Well certainly with the Xbox 360, we had some challenges at the launch. Once we identified that we took control of it. We wanted to do it right by our customers. Our customers are very important to us." -Larry "Major Nelson" Hryb (10/2013). Note: RRoD was fixed with the Jasper-revision 3 years after the launch of 360

"People don't pay attention to a lot of the details."-Yusuf Mehdi explaining why Xbone DRM scheme would succeed

"Fortunately we have a product for people who aren't able to get some form of connectivity; it's called Xbox 360,”-Don Mattrick

"The region locking of the 3DS wasn't done for profits on games"-MDMAlliance

slowmo on 09 April 2010

Shouldn't this be front page news, its certainly a hell of a lot more important than the article of Bluray sales supposedly "skyrocketing". You cannot just bury news if its not what you want to hear, god knows nobody buried the 50 or so articles of how "bad" FFXIII was on the 360.



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WereKitten on 09 April 2010

This is very important news and should get its own news piece, but it's about a retailer wanting to keep a noisy client satisfied.
Sony's actions, despicable as they might be in a customer satisfaction sense and even from an ethic standpoint, will be confirmed to be against EU law when a court sentences so.
A class action would likely result in Sony being obliged to keep the system software up-to-date when it comes to complying with the advertised features (i.e. play new PS3 labeled games, get troubleshooting updates and install another OS at the same time).
Removing free access from PSN though is likely to be entirely in their rights: it's a service that they've been offering for free pro-tempore, but that it's clearly stated that they have the right to shut off. And I can't see how a court could rule otherwise.



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"..." - Gordon Freeman

Damnyouall on 09 April 2010

Yes, you are right, this is at least important enough to warrant a new topic. There you go: http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=106455



"Well certainly with the Xbox 360, we had some challenges at the launch. Once we identified that we took control of it. We wanted to do it right by our customers. Our customers are very important to us." -Larry "Major Nelson" Hryb (10/2013). Note: RRoD was fixed with the Jasper-revision 3 years after the launch of 360

"People don't pay attention to a lot of the details."-Yusuf Mehdi explaining why Xbone DRM scheme would succeed

"Fortunately we have a product for people who aren't able to get some form of connectivity; it's called Xbox 360,”-Don Mattrick

"The region locking of the 3DS wasn't done for profits on games"-MDMAlliance

Damnyouall on 29 April 2010

Awesome: 

PlayStation 3 Owner Files Class Action Suit Against Sony For Dropping 'Other OS'



"Well certainly with the Xbox 360, we had some challenges at the launch. Once we identified that we took control of it. We wanted to do it right by our customers. Our customers are very important to us." -Larry "Major Nelson" Hryb (10/2013). Note: RRoD was fixed with the Jasper-revision 3 years after the launch of 360

"People don't pay attention to a lot of the details."-Yusuf Mehdi explaining why Xbone DRM scheme would succeed

"Fortunately we have a product for people who aren't able to get some form of connectivity; it's called Xbox 360,”-Don Mattrick

"The region locking of the 3DS wasn't done for profits on games"-MDMAlliance

Epoch on 29 April 2010
Damnyouall said:

Awesome: 

PlayStation 3 Owner Files Class Action Suit Against Sony For Dropping 'Other OS'

God I hope Sony loses that case.  What a dumb move.