If it was was advertised when I bought the console, of course.

Apparently you don't understand that the "tell them what you want"-blog is a marketing device to shut up people and keep them from complaining?

no but ford may have a recall, and it's upto you if you want to turn it back in.

Even though Sony removing Other OS as seen as a slap in the face to the consumer it should be noted that keeping Mod chip's off the PS3 would be seen by many as more of a benefit at the loss of Intall Other OS. than to have people on PSN with playstation 3's with mod chip's on them.

example:

"It is quite possible someone will package this attack into a modchip since the glitch, while somewhat narrow, does not need to be very precisely timed. With a microcontroller and a little analog circuitry for the pulse, this could be quite reliable. However, it is more likely that a software bug will be found after reverse-engineering the dumped hypervisor and that is what will be deployed for use by the masses."

Sony appears to have done a great job with the security of the PS3. It all hangs together well, with no obvious weak points. However, the low level access given to guest OS kernels means that any bug in the hypervisor is likely to be accessible to attacker code due to the broad API it offers. One simple fix would be to read back the state of each mapping after changing it. If the write failed for some reason, the hypervisor would see this and halt.

It will be interesting to see how Sony responds with future updates to prevent this kind of attack.

http://rdist.root.org/2010/01/27/how-the-ps3-hypervisor-was-hacked/

than why on earth have it ?

if you can post a complaint in the space, which you can.

than how on earth is that shutting you up?

Hell the Blog was where Sony put out the info on the 3.21 update so they use the blog and answer people's question's.

you can still post your complaint.

Hey if you do not want to try than that's all you but you seem to be making excuses on posting instead of just doing it. IF linux is that important to you

you should post your complaints there that's what it's there for.

Do I have to spell everything out for you? Obviously the blog is there to keep the complaints in one place rather than have people complain everywhere. You have to pretty gullible to belive Sony would return Other OS just because people complain; after all we did complain and they removed it anyway.

And about your above quote, do you even read what you post?
"It is quite possible someone will package this attack into a modchip since the glitch, while somewhat narrow, does not need to be very precisely timed. With a microcontroller and a little analog circuitry for the pulse, this could be quite reliable. However, it is more likely that a software bug will be found after reverse-engineering the dumped hypervisor and that is what will be deployed for use by the masses."

Once an exploit is found, the Other OS won't be needed to use it. That's why those of us who get it (apparently a minority) say that it makes absolutely no sense to remove it at this point.

so if it does not matter to complain, because Sony removed it anyway, why would it matter to have all the complaints all over the place, unless you want to draw more attention to the matter and apply pressure to sony for what?

what compensation would you want?

your money back?

maybe that would be something Sony would like to know if you don't post it how do they know what you want!

do not worrying about posting a response, it's clear your here to keep the complaint going on an on in this thread, no one here can help you on this so just keep going.

I am out of this thread/

peace

Consolidating complaints is a GREAT tool for damage control. If you know ANYTHING about business, this would be easy to understand. People will still complain everywhere but not as much, which reduces the spread of negative word of mouth. Very good idea on Sony's part for the "tell them what you want"blog.

OT: I'm pretty sure this firmware update constitutes false advertising. Regardless of the reason (preventing piracy supposedly, but it won't even do that), you can't offer a feature, advertise it, and then remove it. ToS/EULA and whatnot cannot go against consumer protection laws or trade laws. There are firms that were already preparing for a class-action lawsuit a few days, so we'll be hearing about them soon enough. 

I'm kind of shocked to see that so few people seem to understand this. Some people have said this but it is again.

Tos/EULA cannot set contractual bounds outside of the law. Period. Just because it's in the ToS does not make it legal.

I also don't care for the feature, but it's gross that a company can remove an advertised feature, and people cheer them for it. 

Wheres the option:
I dont fuking care, if they have to do it to keep the PS3 safe and make sure that nobody can pirate games on it, its okay.

shows your bias

Yeah bad, sony bad!!!

but here is the POINT people could still refuse the update.

yes that make's it where you loose the majority of it's function's , but you would still be able to keep Linux.

Sony did not want Mod chipped PS3 access to the PSN. and It may still happen, but atleast they did something for their share holder's.

you cannot tell me share holder's would not have wanted Sony to do something anything to prevent this.

the point is if Geohot would have just used linux and not used a board shocker and than showed everyone how to do this, this pretty much allowed people to get the first step's of a Mod chip on the PS3. if he would have just stuck to Linux this would never of happened.

at this point , while I like Linux, the hacking community did not have to go to the route that they know full well would lead to Piracy.

Saying you don't condone Piracy , but yet show other people in great length how you did it and posting it across the internet is exactly like what happened to a certain book that got banned EVEN THOUIGH COPY'S ARE STILL FLOATING you may have heard of it the :

Anarchist Cook Book

THE POINT BEING Geohot may not condone Piracy, but he knew full well that what he would when released to the public would indeed lead to it, not only that but it would help Pirates not hinder them, he did not care about his effect it would have on Piracy.

Sony took what action they needed to remove a security Risk.

many People my not like it, but anyone can see that when people already had ideas for Mod chip's and GEOHOT's method already was used to Mod the PS3 already you could understand why Sony did this.

like I stated Geohot could have used Linux to make HomeBrew without modding the hardware, but Geohot decided to do so and release his Hack, Sony mostlike did this in response to the Mod Chip bypass more than just doing this out of spite. but it's not like the Hacker's had to do this, He even stated this would lead to playing backup's of playstation 3 software.

The PS3 was advertised as having a set of features. Removing one of them later, or telling a consumer to choose between them (which is still effectively removing them), can still count as false advertising, regardless of the reason for doing it.

I can understand they don't want the system modded, but this could even speed up that process. Pissing off the hacking community is NEVER a good idea. I wouldn't be surprised if the normally docile, awesome hackers come out and and find other ways through with or without the other OS option. And, if this gets taken to court, and Sony loses, they could be ordered to restore the feature anyways.

So in a single move, they could bring up 2 bad results, instead of just taking a possible hit from piracy and move on. Not to mention, you would still need the bluray discs and burners, and the write speed isn't amazing, it's not like it's hassle or cost free to pirate. 

Most companies act in manners to either minimize losses and maximize profits, but this is a big risk from the 3rd place console manufacturer, and they're increasing the range of possible losses. 

But the main point is that this just stomps all over consumer rights. What if someone finds some kind of strange exploit through the use of blu-ray discs that make the PS3 easily hackable? And Sony's only course of action at that point is to remove blu-ray usage? Is that bad only because more people use it? Or is it fine, Sony would have to cover their tracks after all, who cares about consumer rights, they need to minimize losses. I know it's an extreme example, but I think the point there is important. How much a feature is used is unimportant, it was advertised, it should stay there.

Joeorc killed the thread when he posted geohots quotes about homebrew and pirating. Jolly good day old boys. This thread is irrelevant and dead now.