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joeorc said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
"it's not an Illusion it's I think has more to do with Nintendo's position on promotion of 3rd party software more than anything."

That isn't the context of what I wrote.

"the very fact that Nintendo seem's to struggle with 3rd party every generation, except for handheld's has to make you wonder why?"

I could buy the cost of the carts with the N64, but the GC didn't have any excuse (disc size only counted if a game couldn't do multiple carts, and only San Andreas did that), and neither did a new interface which is the supposed excuse for this system.

"but yet do you see their DS handheld software for 3rd party get promotion"

What do you mean? Do you mean Nintendo is supposed to do the marketing for the 3rd parties?

yup.an why not !

If I am making a game for your systemm why would you not promote it. If you want it to sell right, the game is going to make you money like it would make me money?

The more you promote it the more it would or could Make.

both Sony and Microsoft do indeed promote 3rd party game's on their system.

Though With Nintendo I do not See that.

 

I wrote "marketing", not "promote". I wouldn't advertize your own product if you've been doing that yourselves for the other systems. That's a double standard.



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LordTheNightKnight said:
joeorc said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
"it's not an Illusion it's I think has more to do with Nintendo's position on promotion of 3rd party software more than anything."

That isn't the context of what I wrote.

"the very fact that Nintendo seem's to struggle with 3rd party every generation, except for handheld's has to make you wonder why?"

I could buy the cost of the carts with the N64, but the GC didn't have any excuse (disc size only counted if a game couldn't do multiple carts, and only San Andreas did that), and neither did a new interface which is the supposed excuse for this system.

"but yet do you see their DS handheld software for 3rd party get promotion"

What do you mean? Do you mean Nintendo is supposed to do the marketing for the 3rd parties?

yup.an why not !

If I am making a game for your systemm why would you not promote it. If you want it to sell right, the game is going to make you money like it would make me money?

The more you promote it the more it would or could Make.

both Sony and Microsoft do indeed promote 3rd party game's on their system.

Though With Nintendo I do not See that.

 

I wrote "marketing", not "promote". I wouldn't advertize your own product if you've been doing that yourselves for the other systems. That's a double standard.

but that's the main point, your thinking Marketing when 3rd party's would want Promotion ontop of Marketing.

promote by Collins

  1. 1) verb, to further or encourage the progress or existence of
  2. 2) verb, to raise to a higher rank, status, degree, etc
  3. 3) verb, to advance (a pupil or student) to a higher course, class, etc
  4. 4) verb, to urge the adoption of; work for
  5. 5) verb, to encourage the sale of (a product) by advertising or securing financial support
  6. 6) verb, chess to exchange (a pawn) for any piece other than a king when the pawn reaches the 8th rank

marketing by Collins

  1. 1) noun, the provision of goods or services to meet customer or consumer needs


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theARTIST0017 said:
trestres said:
woopah said:
becasuse almost every advantge the wii offers to publishers is done better by the DS

Why then do PSP, PS3 and 360 still get more games than the Wii?

Because game developers discriminate and are biased. (I don't know about PSP though . . .)

Its as I already stated.  The DS is far more popular in Japan.  So third party developers are focusing on that in Japan.  And in the 'west', the HD consoles are the craze, even if they aren't the most popular system (which is still Wii and DS).  WHich gives third party companies an excuse to work on that instead of Wii.

So basically, in Japan, the DS is taking away third party support.  And in the west, the 'HD Consoles' is taking away its third party support.

jarrod said:
Soriku said:
Kenryoku_Maxis said:
Its probably just a combination of most Japanese third parties are focusing more on the DS (the system that is by FAR the most popular system in Japan) and because most Japanese companies that try to make games for the Wii don't do very well.

I mean, if you look at all the major third party games on the Wii, there really hasn't been any major 'hit' for the system. Monster Hunter Tri is still trying to break through to a million, games like Little Kings Story and Muramasa didn't do all that great and major third party efforts like Fatal Frame IV and 428: Fuusa Sareta Shibuya de just outright bombed. Its literally getting to the point where third party developers, Japanese or western, are starting to look at the Wii as a system where they can only make a quick low budget game to make money because there's no guarantee if their game will sell 1 million copies....or 100,000. And most aren't being able to come close to that 1 million mark. To this date, only one third party Wii game has sold 1 million based on Japanese sales alone. There's 12 games on DS that can claim that prize.

Its like I've been saying for a while now, the biggest competition for the Wii is the DS. Its giving third parties an excuse not to make games for the Wii when the DS is much more popular and software sells 5-10x better on it.


MH3 hit a million a long time ago...and yes, in Famitsu.

I'd add to that neither Fatal Frame IV or 428 "bombed".  FF4 is actually the best selling game in the entire series, and 428 Wii is Chunsoft's best selling ADV game this gen (better than *anything* they've done on PSP, PS3 or DS in fact).

Also, Muramasa is Vanillaware's 2nd best selling game ever.  LKS was pure bomba though. ;_;

Its all how you look at it.  Did Muramasa and 428 make money?  Sure.  But on the most popular console and after being hyped as some of the best games the Wii has to offer....they should have done a lot better.  I mean heck, 428 got a perfect score in Famitsu and lots of hype in Japan, and still only sold 150,000 copies.  And I'm sure the developers for Muramasa are not complaining about the sales of their game, but its still far from a madly successful Wii game.

And Fatal Frame IV is really the best selling game in the series?  Last time I checked, it had only sold between 75,000-100,000 total.

Looking at all these totals, Little King's Story isn't looking so 'bomb' as before.  Its more like Japan just won't touch anything on the Wii without the names Mario, Wii or Resident Evil on the box.



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Do Microsoft and Sony really promote third party games themselves? I was always under the impression that those commercials for third party games with 'available on 360/PS3' stuck at the end were run by the developer/publisher themselves, and Sony/MS had merely paid for the bit at the end... I mean, you can immediately tell the difference between a Sony ad for a first party exclusive and an ad for a third party game on a Sony console...



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milkyjoe said:
Do Microsoft and Sony really promote third party games themselves? I was always under the impression that those commercials for third party games with 'available on 360/PS3' stuck at the end were run by the developer/publisher themselves, and Sony/MS had merely paid for the bit at the end... I mean, you can immediately tell the difference between a Sony ad for a first party exclusive and an ad for a third party game on a Sony console...

You're right they are from publishers themselves, MS/Sony pay to have their console mentioned specifically unless it's a first/second party in which case they would be the publisher. If you look at FFXIII ads they have the available on 360 bit tagged on to give people the impression that they need a 360 for FFXIII, MS pay SE for this.



With a new DS coming, Sony Move and Natal (which i think is a bad idea), Wii is going to have serious 3rd party troubles next year. I really think this is the last year for the wii. If you notice nintendo is throwing all of their chips out this year for the core... whats for next year?



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naiyo said:
 If you notice nintendo is throwing all of their chips out this year for the core... whats for next year?

Probably Dragon Quest.



"but that's the main point, your thinking Marketing when 3rd party's would want Promotion ontop of Marketing."

Did you even pay attention to what you wrote? When I asked if you think Nintendo should take of the marketing, not the promotion, you claimed they should. Now you're acting as though you meant something else. If you didn't mean that, why the hell did you write that in the first place?



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LordTheNightKnight said:

"but that's the main point, your thinking Marketing when 3rd party's would want Promotion ontop of Marketing."

Did you even pay attention to what you wrote? When I asked if you think Nintendo should take of the marketing, not the promotion, you claimed they should. Now you're acting as though you meant something else. If you didn't mean that, why the hell did you write that in the first place?

because you brought up marketing, while I brought up promotion.

Which if you look at what I stated, your trying to deflect the issue, I have stated promotion.

Marketing is what you brought up. Promotion is one of the Thing's I stated that Nintendo does not do for 3rd party's.

I just stated That 3rd party's would want Marketing also , but also promotion of their product.

example:

Marketing is the process by which companies determine what products or services may be of interest to customers, and the strategy to use in sales, communications and business development It is an integrated process through which companies create value for customers and build strong customer relations in order to capture value from customers in return. Marketing is used to identify the customer.

Earlier approaches

The marketing orientation evolved from earlier orientations namely the production orientation, the product orientation and the selling orientation

Selling methods 1950s and 1960s 

A firm using a sales orientation focuses primarily on the selling/promotion of a particular product, and not determining new consumer desires as such. Consequently, this entails simply selling an already existing product, and using promotion techniques to attain the highest sales possible.

Such an orientation may suit scenarios in which a firm holds dead stock, or otherwise sells a product that is in high demand, with little likelihood of changes in consumer tastes diminishing demand.

 

 



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