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outlawauron on 24 March 2010
trestres said:
outlawauron said:
trestres said:
woopah said:
trestres said:
woopah said:
becasuse almost every advantge the wii offers to publishers is done better by the DS

Why then do PSP, PS3 and 360 still get more games than the Wii?

well PSP for the same reasons as DS, larger userbase and smaller dev costs.

 

PS3 and 360 offer a greater market in the west for japaneese franchises

PSP has larger costs than the DS, why aren't all games made for the DS then? PSP still gets a ton of big games and its costs are higher. Plus DS has a userbase that's 2 times as big as that of the DS.

Wii has a bigger userbase than the HD's combined, has lower costs and offers a new gameplay mechanic, yet the big franchises are heading towards the handhelds or the HDs. It wouldn't surprise me to see devs making motion games when Arc and Natal finally come out exclusively for the HD consoles, and using their big franchises for it. Wii is cursed, really I don't think it will be able to maintain its sales come next year only with 1st party SW. Nintendo might be planning to launch a new home console by next year because clearly things will never be good enough for 3rd parties to even try and momentum will definitely die soon if this doesn't change.

This is easier. Regardless of numbers, certain consoles have a specific userbase. A bet that a 360/Wii SHMUP or Visual Novel will do much better on the 360. The 360 has that crowd.

Just with PSP vs. DS. PSP has the local multiplayer game crowd down (Phantasy Star, Monster Hunter, God Eater, etc.)

Wii is appealing in a lot of genres. MH3 sold a million, that's proof enough. Yet 3rd party devs seem to avoid the Wii for some reason. If they never give the Wii games in big franchises, then they will most likely never succeed.

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Kenryoku_Maxis on 24 March 2010
Soriku said:
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Lots of games have been announced recently.  From The Last Story to a new Monster Hunter to three new Kingdom Hearts games just today.  New games are announced all the time.

As for Monster Hunter hitting a million, yes it has.  And VGChartz needs to update the amount to reflect the Famitsu numbers.


I'd say The Last Story and MH3P were the biggest things announced since even before TGS last year...the KH games weren't officially announced though, it was just a "yeah, we have them in development." Same thing for Persona 5. The KH games might not even be officially shown until TGS this year in the case of the side stories except maybe one of them.

Otherwise, from a lot of other devs they haven't shown too much but that should change by next month...

I don't really see what next month has to do with anything.  Is something special happeneing next month?  I thought E3 was in May.

But even aside from those games I already mentioned, there's many other games that have been announced in development.  Such as Dragon Quest Monsters: Joker 2, Professor Layton and the Mask of Miracles, Lufia Estpolis, Atelier Totori 2, etc.  Most games are not announced at major events like E3 or TGS.  They're announced before hand and then shown off there.

As for Persona 5, its been stated to be in development.  I think that's pretty much official.  Much like something like the Kingdom Hearts games or White Knight Chronicles 2.  Sure, it could get cancelled, but they're working on it with the intention of releasing it.



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trestres on 24 March 2010

@outlaw: Oh I agree then. But we can find something similar for the Wii and the PS3 or 360. What are the genres that Wii owners like the most? MH3 selling a million means they like that kind of game for example.



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joeorc on 24 March 2010
trestres said:
outlawauron said:
trestres said:
woopah said:
trestres said:
woopah said:
becasuse almost every advantge the wii offers to publishers is done better by the DS

Why then do PSP, PS3 and 360 still get more games than the Wii?

well PSP for the same reasons as DS, larger userbase and smaller dev costs.

 

PS3 and 360 offer a greater market in the west for japaneese franchises

PSP has larger costs than the DS, why aren't all games made for the DS then? PSP still gets a ton of big games and its costs are higher. Plus DS has a userbase that's 2 times as big as that of the DS.

Wii has a bigger userbase than the HD's combined, has lower costs and offers a new gameplay mechanic, yet the big franchises are heading towards the handhelds or the HDs. It wouldn't surprise me to see devs making motion games when Arc and Natal finally come out exclusively for the HD consoles, and using their big franchises for it. Wii is cursed, really I don't think it will be able to maintain its sales come next year only with 1st party SW. Nintendo might be planning to launch a new home console by next year because clearly things will never be good enough for 3rd parties to even try and momentum will definitely die soon if this doesn't change.

This is easier. Regardless of numbers, certain consoles have a specific userbase. A bet that a 360/Wii SHMUP or Visual Novel will do much better on the 360. The 360 has that crowd.

Just with PSP vs. DS. PSP has the local multiplayer game crowd down (Phantasy Star, Monster Hunter, God Eater, etc.)

Wii is appealing in a lot of genres. MH3 sold a million, that's proof enough. Yet 3rd party devs seem to avoid the Wii for some reason. If they never give the Wii games in big franchises, then they will most likely never succeed.

ahh, but they are..

the developer's have made game's on the

PC

the playstation 3

the Xbox360

and they made Money,

what your getting at is I think is the just of your complaint is

"3RD PARTY'S NEED THE Wii To make Money, so why are they not putting game's on the Wii since it's in the leadership position"

If sony and the xbox360 would be first the 3rd party developers would not get this same treatment.

THAT BEG'S THE QUESTION WHY?

I think it has more to do with the Way the Wii is focused in the market V'S the other two. An How Nintendo put's Focus on that Market.

1) Nintendo only need's to promote Nintendo 1st party Game's.

2) Nintendo Motion Controll's Focused with 1st party In mind

3) Not All 3rd Party's feel they will get a fair shake in promotion of their software on the Wii like they get on Sony's and Microsoft's platform's

Even without some 3rd party, Nintendo is doing fantastic, and so are 3rd party's are without the Wii.



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theARTIST0017 on 24 March 2010
trestres said:
woopah said:
becasuse almost every advantge the wii offers to publishers is done better by the DS

Why then do PSP, PS3 and 360 still get more games than the Wii?

Because game developers discriminate and are biased. (I don't know about PSP though . . .)



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oniyide on 24 March 2010

its simple 1 they make more money on the HDtwin systems, 3rd party games in general dont do that great on Wii, people like money

2 when then do make a Wii game its usually an inferior port or rerelease of a game already played. Why would I get a Wii version of anything if I know I could get it on the other systems?

3 Nintendo dont need them, Sony does, Microsoft absolutely does, if they never release another 3rd party game on Nintendo it wouldnt hurt there pockets at all

4 not really a point, but y dont you get a system with decent 3rd party support????



Imphamis on 24 March 2010

Because the Wii has been doomed since it was launched.






I think it's because of the DS...........it basically overshadows the Wii in Japan.



 

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trestres on 25 March 2010
oniyide said:
its simple 1 they make more money on the HDtwin systems, 3rd party games in general dont do that great on Wii, people like money

2 when then do make a Wii game its usually an inferior port or rerelease of a game already played. Why would I get a Wii version of anything if I know I could get it on the other systems?

3 Nintendo dont need them, Sony does, Microsoft absolutely does, if they never release another 3rd party game on Nintendo it wouldnt hurt there pockets at all

4 not really a point, but y dont you get a system with decent 3rd party support????

I don't get another system because I don't have money lol. But that's not my problem anyways.

Your points don't make much sense, if that what you say was true, the companies wouldn't be posting record losses, as they don't even care to make Wii SW. And Nintendo does need them. DS is not only successful due to 1st party SW, take a look at the crazy amount of titles it gets from 3rd party devs.



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joeorc on 25 March 2010
oniyide said:
its simple 1 they make more money on the HDtwin systems, 3rd party games in general dont do that great on Wii, people like money

2 when then do make a Wii game its usually an inferior port or rerelease of a game already played. Why would I get a Wii version of anything if I know I could get it on the other systems?

3 Nintendo dont need them, Sony does, Microsoft absolutely does, if they never release another 3rd party game on Nintendo it wouldnt hurt there pockets at all

4 not really a point, but y dont you get a system with decent 3rd party support????

"3rd party games in general dont do that great on Wii, people like money"

well that's not the case at all 3rd party's do good on the Wii, the problem they would do better if Nintendo promoted their Software, 3rd party's know this Nintendo know's this but Nintendo promoting 3rd party software is most likely out of the Question:

example:

Independent Publishers/Licensees/Licensed Property Owners

Nintendo licenses a number of independent third party publishers to use its patented technology, copyrights and trademarks in developing, creating and marketing their own video games. Additionally, there are a number of intellectual property rights associated with these games that are owned by these publishers. In addition, many independent property owners from such sources as movies, television, sports leagues, etc. license their intellectual properties for use in video games.

http://www.nintendo.com/corp/legal.jsp#independent

from jan 2010

January 19, 2010 1:57 PM PST

Third-party developers complaining about Wii's online presence

From the confusing 16-digit friend codes that must be shared for matchmaking to the lack of localized promotion, Nintendo has not made it clear that the company takes online gaming seriously.

What do you think? Are WiiWare games advertised as much as those on Xbox Live Arcade and PlayStation Network? How would you fix the Nintendo online situation?

http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10437338-1.html

 

 



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joeorc on 25 March 2010
trestres said:
oniyide said:
its simple 1 they make more money on the HDtwin systems, 3rd party games in general dont do that great on Wii, people like money

2 when then do make a Wii game its usually an inferior port or rerelease of a game already played. Why would I get a Wii version of anything if I know I could get it on the other systems?

3 Nintendo dont need them, Sony does, Microsoft absolutely does, if they never release another 3rd party game on Nintendo it wouldnt hurt there pockets at all

4 not really a point, but y dont you get a system with decent 3rd party support????

I don't get another system because I don't have money lol. But that's not my problem anyways.

Your points don't make much sense, if that what you say was true, the companies wouldn't be posting record losses, as they don't even care to make Wii SW. And Nintendo does need them. DS is not only successful due to 1st party SW, take a look at the crazy amount of titles it gets from 3rd party devs.

this pretty much answer's it:

I think this is the Key

"marketing their own video games"

Independent Publishers/Licensees/Licensed Property Owners

Nintendo licenses a number of independent third party publishers to use its patented technology, copyrights and trademarks in developing, creating and marketing their own video games. Additionally, there are a number of intellectual property rights associated with these games that are owned by these publishers. In addition, many independent property owners from such sources as movies, television, sports leagues, etc. license their intellectual properties for use in video games.

http://www.nintendo.com/corp/legal.jsp#independent

here is a statement:

"High-quality, effectively marketed against our installed base, will sell. Period. End of story."

-Reggie Fils-Aime

but that beg's the :

Question who's going to market the software?

nintendo or 3rd party?

see above/

 



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