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darthdevidem01 said:
trestres said:
darthdevidem01 said:
It may have been a very long time since a Japanese dev made a significant announcement for wii BUT it definetely hasn't been a long time since your last thread discussing this SAME issue.

I think I have been discussing it at the end oflast year but I waited a bit because some people told me we were too early into the year to call it a trend. And we haven't heard of any projects so far. It's a bit worrying seriously. 3DS is around the corner and I don't know if that's good for the Wii or any other current gen console for the matter.

Every week I'm waiting for at least a little announcemnt in the Famitsu magazine and Wii is never getting anything. The announcements head to every other platform but the Wii. Even Nintendo will be publishing 3rd party games in the West.

1. Wii got The Last Story AND Xenoblade announced actually....so your wrong.

2. After the DS launched, Wii & PS3 came 2 years after that.....so if the 3DS launches around 2011 (not counting delays), then we should expect PS4/Wii2/Xbox 720 around 2013 - 2014 which is possible.

3. Its been clear for 1 year now that the wii wasn't ever going to get support like a "winning" console would get....so whats the big deal?

I do not think that's true at all. The Wii has some very good software,

when I keep hearing that the Wii is "not getting support like a winning" console would get that to me beg's the Question:

What exactly defines what  a "Winning" console get's for it's software?

If people define "Winning" console getting

the game's like GTA, or Assassin's Creed,Bio-shock,Oblivion, fallout 3, etc.

the fault lie's in a couple thing's I think:

1) unlike the other two platform's the Wii's focus is most likely the main problem:

 the very thing that made the Wii so great , also may have the one thing that hinder's it's progression since the Wii's main focus is Motion controll's not all developer's like Motion controll's, as a matter of logistic's, not all development studio's have team's set up to do motion controlled theme based software.

which is why we get statement's like this most likely:

Game developers are notoriously finicky when it comes to trying out new interfaces.

 

2) the Wii's hardware design focus was not geared toward HD

 

not to say that's a bad thing, because it's not, what the main problem is the Wii's focus was not aligned toward a standard evolution of SD to HD that the developer's may have been moving toward for their game design, from their Game engine's to Art direction, to HD sound. well as companies spent their money for those development's was done before the system's were released, they would have to change development team's or hire new development talent, to make game's for motion control's. and since the development budget may have already been spent, the companies may have had to wait to move forward with development for motion control's. Since only one platform had Motion control's as the main Focus, while the other two had HD as their Main focus, combined with the fact that the other two mainly focused on standard pad control's.Now add in the fact that their budget may be small for Motion control themed software development, than you know that your software would in all likelyhood go up against Nintendo's 1st party offering's that in all likelyhood get the lion's share of promotion for software.

3rd party software get's it seem's a better chance for promotion on the PS3 or the xbox360

IE: they seem to get more coverage on the HD system's than they get on Nintendo's platform's.





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I think Japanese developers are lazy overall to be honest.

DS and PSP apart.



trestres said:
woopah said:
trestres said:
woopah said:
becasuse almost every advantge the wii offers to publishers is done better by the DS

Why then do PSP, PS3 and 360 still get more games than the Wii?

well PSP for the same reasons as DS, larger userbase and smaller dev costs.

 

PS3 and 360 offer a greater market in the west for japaneese franchises

PSP has larger costs than the DS, why aren't all games made for the DS then? PSP still gets a ton of big games and its costs are higher. Plus DS has a userbase that's 2 times as big as that of the DS.

Wii has a bigger userbase than the HD's combined, has lower costs and offers a new gameplay mechanic, yet the big franchises are heading towards the handhelds or the HDs. It wouldn't surprise me to see devs making motion games when Arc and Natal finally come out exclusively for the HD consoles, and using their big franchises for it. Wii is cursed, really I don't think it will be able to maintain its sales come next year only with 1st party SW. Nintendo might be planning to launch a new home console by next year because clearly things will never be good enough for 3rd parties to even try and momentum will definitely die soon if this doesn't change.

True, thats why DS tends to get more support but it offers higher specs which are better for some games and proven to offer a good RoI. but the console market in japan isnt that good.  Publishers are looking more and more at overseas market and thats where the PS360 has a greater userbase and a better track record of selling to the teenage/ twenties male demographic the majority of them are targeting



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Bamboleo said:
I think Japanese developers are lazy overall to be honest.

DS and PSP apart.

I would not say lazy, i think it's more about competeing with Nintendo's 1st party which get's most of the lion's share for promotion of software. when was the last time Nintendo promot's I mean put's big promotion for third party software?

you hear all the Time

3RD party game's or hell even 2nd party game's win award's all the time on both the xbox360 and the PS3 but

if you look at what win's award's on Nintendo's system's which 3rd party's get noticed?

I think that's one big hurdle, Nintendo's system's though very good and fun, the majority of software that get promotion is most of the time 1st party over 3rd party.

to 3rd party that's a big problem.



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Because the developers want to make pretty pictures, and the Wii won't let them. So they make up crap about their games "not selling" -despite the fact that if you look at the third parties' financial statements, in most cases the Wii is the only console that's making them any money at all- and toss out halfhearted efforts.



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Japanese Developers aren't making any games. Except for the PSP and DS games. Both the Wii and PS3 should have alot more games coming from them. The only games that they are making. Are the Big Budget multi platform games that western gamers will buy. For example Resident Evil, and Final Fantasy. During the PS2/ Gamecube generation. There were alot more anime related games, niche japanese style games, and import to the west games. This generation they have cut back on at least 2 of those style of games.



 

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Wyrdness said:

Japanese devs are simply all on the DS, most titles on the PS3/360 are geared at trying to break into the western market, games that aren't in that group MH and DQ have had no trouble moving on to the Wii. You also have to factor in the blue ocean strategy here, many devs are still too used to the red ocean approach that we've been used to since the NES and will cling to it until they're forced to try and adapt to the blue ocean approach properly as in actually being competitive as well as putting in effort rather then just releasing a game any how of debatable quality. Think of it as fish in a stream that's gradually drying up and rather then move to the ocean while they still can many are staying put.

 

Many try to complain it's hard to make money against Nintendo but I think it's an excuse for them to explain why they don't even try.

I don't think its them not trying.  That's more of the attitude many companies here in the west are taking.  Putting weak casual titles on the Wii like 'Carnival Games' and 'My Sims Agents' on the system and then whining that some of their other more 'core' titles that they quote 'tried on' don't sell as well.

In Japan, they're simply focused entirely on handhelds and being completely up front about putting their weaker titles on the Wii.  I mean, look at the actual companies putting the 'must have' products on the Wii.  Aside from Capcom and SquareEnix, who do we have?  Small development groups putting their entire funds on the line to bring us games like Little King's Story, Oopona and Muramasa.  And some not getting their investment back, as was the case for Little King's Story.

We just gotta face the facts.  The DS is sucking the attention away from the Wii in Japan.  And the 'HD consoles' is sucking the attention away from the Wii in the west.



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Millennium said:
Because the developers want to make pretty pictures, and the Wii won't let them. So they make up crap about their games "not selling" -despite the fact that if you look at the third parties' financial statements, in most cases the Wii is the only console that's making them any money at all- and toss out halfhearted efforts.

is it, is it really?

you have to question that, let's look at team size's that focus on motion controll's for game software development.

do you think the majority of 3rd party development houses have or HAD motion control's development team's set up when the Wii was first released?

now add in the fact:

Game developers are notoriously finicky when it comes to trying out new interfaces.

now compare that to Nintendo!

add to the fact that the Wii was the only system with Robust motion controll's when it was released, than add in the fact that Nintendo software get's the lion's share for promotion of the software. when the Wii was first released, as almost alway's Nintendo promote's 1st party over 3rd party offering's.

than add in the fact that what you spend on return is likely to get you profit, but no noticed for any award's which mean's more investment into your studio.

It's all fine and dandy for Nintendo, but 3rd Party's not so good.



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Developers can't get over the illusion that they decided the last two console generations, and that they want to decide this one.



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Roma said:
wait for E3 and then ask

e3 it's american based. TGS just pass by