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Zucas said:
I still have mixed feelings on all of this. If it passes, well then we haven't done our job right as this is not going to help. But if it doesn't pass, we screw health care reform for years to come and big insurance companies can continue to "rape" Americans of their rights.


This is really just what happens when you have a government of all the people who shouldn't be elected. We elect "suits" and for the rest of us we have no representation. And then they see the only representation they think we have are these extremist neo-fascists that call themselves the "tea party".

I guess for me I'm pretty apathetic about the situation as I really don't care what happens now. When its all over anyways, no one will give a shit anymore just like they never give a shit before the media tells them to care. And that's the big problem in America. The people don't care until they think they are supposed to care, and then they get it wrong. Guess I don't blame the "suits" in Congress as much as I blame the people themselves.

Oh well, after work I'll see what happened.

Health insurance companys aren't screwing america. That's just a silly statement. Non-profit health insurance isn't any cheaper then for profit insurance. That's the problem with this bill... insurance companies aren't the base problem.

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mirgro said:
I would love it if you explained why you think state government is better than the federal government.

The same reason I think city government is better then state government.

All powerful bodies are corrupt. The less power they have, the less corrupt they are. For example, I live in Minnesota. We have 5.3 million people here. If all of the money collected from them (all except the minimum needed to run a federal government), we given to the state to manage, I am sure the people in office who have to answer to 5.3 million people, would care a lot more about what they think then the people who have to answer to 307 million.

 



Oh, and if your watching it live....

Protesters have stormed the galley twice.



Back from the dead, I'm afraid.

Please pass.



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Signalstar said:
Please pass.

What good, do you think, will come from it passing? What advantage in a world where this bill is law, are you looking forward to?



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TheRealMafoo said:
Signalstar said:
Please pass.

What good, do you think, will come from it passing? What advantage in a world where this bill is law, are you looking forward to?

Having been hospitalized some 30 Ot times it would be nice to know that healthcare is extended to people who may not be as financially stable as my parents were. Plus I wouldn't be denied insurance because of my condition and considering I plan on entering a career that likely won't be lucaritive that is another plust (I don't even have life insurance).

Oh and it cuts the deficit.

... and I want to see certain people cry (not a dig at you or any other person on this forum, just some people I know in real life).



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TheRealMafoo said:
mirgro said:
I would love it if you explained why you think state government is better than the federal government.

The same reason I think city government is better then state government.

All powerful bodies are corrupt. The less power they have, the less corrupt they are. For example, I live in Minnesota. We have 5.3 million people here. If all of the money collected from them (all except the minimum needed to run a federal government), we given to the state to manage, I am sure the people in office who have to answer to 5.3 million people, would care a lot more about what they think then the people who have to answer to 307 million.

 

So by your logic no government would be best of all since I'm sure you think your deomestic government is better than your city government, right? You do realize that modern civilization has progressed much farther now, than it ever did when people just lived under city states, right? Just something to think about. Maybe it's not necessarily good for you, but it seems that the human race benefits a lot more, the mroe it is organized, what you are proposing is very close to anarchy.



Signalstar said:
TheRealMafoo said:
Signalstar said:
Please pass.

What good, do you think, will come from it passing? What advantage in a world where this bill is law, are you looking forward to?

Having been hospitalized some 30 Ot times it would be nice to know that healthcare is extended to people who may not be as financially stable as my parents were. Plus I wouldn't be denied insurance because of my condition and considering I plan on entering a career that likely won't be lucaritive that is another plust (I don't even have life insurance).

Oh and it cuts the deficit.

... and I want to see certain people cry (not a dig at you or any other person on this forum, just some people I know in real life).

 

It cost 940 billion dollars. Only in fantasy land does the reduce the deficit. They are paying for half of it with raising taxes, and the other half my making up some kind of efficiency that they don't have now, because they can't do it.
So, due to that made up efficiency, they are cutting 500 billion from medicare. You think that's really going to happen?
Also, insurance companies will not have to sell you a policy, but they are not bound to how much that policy is going to cost you (other then some multiplier compared to others).
So, let's say it's double. Today I pay $2,000 a year in insurance costs. What will most likely happen, is that cost for me will go to $4,000, and your cost will be $8,000.
So yes, you can buy it, if you can afford it. If your dirt poor, you can apply for medicaid... oh wait, there was that 500 billion they just took out of that... never mind.
So, the only people this bill will help, are upper middle class workers, who have a preexisting condition. Well, help them pay for it anyway. being 1/3 of doctors in a survey said they would leave the medical field if it passes, good luck finding someone to take care of you.

 

It cost 940 billion dollars. Only in fantasy land does the reduce the deficit. They are paying for half of it with raising taxes, and the other half my making up some kind of efficiency that they don't have now, because they can't do it.

So, due to that made up efficiency, they are cutting 500 billion from medicare. You think that's really going to happen?

Also, insurance companies will now have to sell you a policy, but they are not bound to how much that policy is going to cost you (other then some multiplier compared to others).

So, let's say it's double. Today I pay $2,000 a year in insurance costs. What will most likely happen, is that cost for me will go to $4,000, and your cost will be $8,000.

So yes, you can buy it, if you can afford it. If your dirt poor, you can apply for medicaid... oh wait, there was that 500 billion they just took out of that... never mind.

So, the only people this bill will help, are upper middle class workers, who have a preexisting condition. Well, help them pay for it anyway. being 1/3 of doctors in a survey said they would leave the medical field if it passes, good luck finding someone to take care of you.

 

 



I haven't been following this very much, what exactly does the bill change?

Are you guys getting free health care like us Canadians or is something completely different?



mirgro said:
TheRealMafoo said:
mirgro said:
I would love it if you explained why you think state government is better than the federal government.

The same reason I think city government is better then state government.

All powerful bodies are corrupt. The less power they have, the less corrupt they are. For example, I live in Minnesota. We have 5.3 million people here. If all of the money collected from them (all except the minimum needed to run a federal government), we given to the state to manage, I am sure the people in office who have to answer to 5.3 million people, would care a lot more about what they think then the people who have to answer to 307 million.

 

So by your logic no government would be best of all since I'm sure you think your deomestic government is better than your city government, right? You do realize that modern civilization has progressed much farther now, than it ever did when people just lived under city states, right? Just something to think about. Maybe it's not necessarily good for you, but it seems that the human race benefits a lot more, the mroe it is organized, what you are proposing is very close to anarchy.

It's true, that no government would mean government was the least posable corrupt, but where did I ever say I didn't want government?

I want the US government to do what they were intended to do. Protect my rights, and protect my country. This is what I pay them to do. This is all I want them to do. The rest, the people can take care of.

I don't need a government to take care of me. I always have taken care of myself. If you on the other hand can not take care of yourself, and you need someone else to do it for you, I can then understand why you like big government.