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So, how do you all think this is going to play out?

I have mixed emotions about this. In the one hand, I just want it to not pass, but on the other hand, we have 38 states ready to deem this bill unconstitutional. I think for far to long, the states have sat back and let the federal government walk all over them.

Something that starts the ball rolling on the states looking at Washington and saying "You don't get to make that call", is a great thing.

Sadly however, I don't know if the states can win against the feds. They control to much of the money now.

I think of all the things that bother me the most about this, is what it will do to American businesses. Caterpillar for example, expects this bill to force them to pay 100 million more a year in labor costs. This is tuff for a company who competes on the world market, when there competitors are not bound to these laws.

I am also worried for all the Americans with insurance, who are about to see an increase in there costs. There are many people just getting by, they will find it harder and harder to do so.

And lastly, I worry about all the unemployed who will not not get a job, because companies can no longer hire.

What do you think is going to happen in just a few hours, and how will it impact the US?



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It will be rejected..

and yes I know, this is OBAMA's first actual "CHANGE" thing..



 

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First, I'd like to thank you Mafoo. Recently, I've been too disgusted to really read the news. The fact that you keep up with it and bring it here to Vgchartz is a great help and convenience. I greatly appreciate it. I think your last couple lines show that big government ideas really only complicate a lot of people's lives. Can you tell me which states are going to deem it as unconstitutional?



 

 

The only state that has already made it law is Idaho.
http://gov.idaho.gov/mediacenter/press/pr2010/prmar10/pr_023.html

I read an article somewhere that said 37 other states have legislation in there state congresses, but only 1 has actually signed it into law. My guess is if it passes, more will follow idaho.

Here is another example of a state with it in there congress:
http://www.chattanoogan.com/articles/article_169198.asp

Add thank you very much for your kind words :) I know we don't agree on a lot of things, but I think we both agree that what we want from our government, is a better life for all living in it (even if we disagree on how to get there) :)



Wow, the "Health Freedom" act. Really? REALLY?!!

I'm guessing that Maryland (where I live now) will be all over this bill. The state is so up D.C.'s ass that it's unbelievable. Most people here have government jobs. Montana, on the other hand, is practically the opposite. I'm expecting huge opposition from that state. God I love it.

And I think we do agree on a lot of things. I just think that the country would benefit from taking a more moderate approach and sensible approach. It seems like we have the most problems whenever we try to stray from that strategy.



 

 

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It will almost certainly pass, and if so, it will definitely end up in front of the Supreme Court. If the Court plays it straight, the states have a very good chance of winning. Using the Commerce Clause to justify a tax on economic inactivity is simply bizarre.

I'm interested to see how this affects Obama's push for amnesty. If you add many millions more to the population, this health care bill goes from being "a big deficit reducer" (LOL...) to a massive budget buster, even by the insane math Congress is using in trying to sell this thing. Even the CBO admits that if you take out the student loan takeover (which has nothing to do with the bill) and add in the doctor fix (which has everything to do with this bill), it's already in the red.



A great day indeed. TD would be proud.



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11/20/09 04:25 makingmusic476 Warning Other (Your avatar is borderline NSFW. Please keep it for as long as possible.)
badgenome said:

It will almost certainly pass

It might not.

http://www.cnn.com/interactive/2010/03/politics/health.care.votes/index.html?hpt=T1

So far it's 5 votes from not passing, and 15 people have yet to comment on how they are voting. it's still a few hours away, and what people say they will do, and what they do when push comes to shove, is not always the same thing.

A lot of people have ben strong armed into voting for this thing. It's easy to look the president in the eye and say "I will help your career". It's a lot harder to vote for the death of your own, when the time comes.

I am not sure how anyone who clames to represent the people can vote for this thing, when well over 70% of the people don't want this bill passed.

In the old days, you sent people to congress to be your voice. Not to tell you want to do.



How does this bill not passing help the Democrat?



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11/20/09 04:25 makingmusic476 Warning Other (Your avatar is borderline NSFW. Please keep it for as long as possible.)
psrock said:
How does this bill not passing help the Democrat?

"Dempcrats" is a party. People vote for a bill.

There are many states right now, where the democratic incombent is treading on thin ice. If they votes for this bill, they removes any chance of winning his/her next election.

Politicians live and die on the independent vote, and a vote for this bill removes all chances of winning that group.

For Congressmen who live in a state with well over 50% democrats, they will be fine. There aren't many of those.