so some sony fan listed Forza 3 GLITCHES as prof that Forzas physics engine is more arcadey that Gran Turismo 5? wow, just wow. someone really want to see someone posting vids from E3 showing not glitches but simply broken GT5 physics.

lestatdark, doesn't change the fact that what i've wrote is completely true.

Race Pro IS the only true racing simulator on current gen consoles and will be until Simbin will release GTR3 or other developer that makes pc sims decides to make console racing sim(or the team that made Enthusia decides to finally make a sequel). hell Race Pro is the only console game that was designed for racing wheels this gen.

GT may be a car game, but certainly IS NOT a simulator. it's arcade simulator just like Forza 3 or PGR, but since forgiving physics and handling(there's no way i would be able to drive like in GT in games like Race Pro, Race On, rFactor, iRacing.com and even finish one lap) arcadiness of GT is very apparent.

i hate how GT "fans" take for granted that Gran Turismo is not only racing simulator, but best racing simulator on consoles/pcs when they've never even played real racing sims or any console racing sim outside of GT games. 

I guess Inside Sims Racing doesn't know what they're talking about then. Nope not at all, never-mind the fact that those guys race in rFactor and pretty much all of the best racing simulators available in all platforms. 

They're the ones that said that Forza 3 physics are on the PC simulator level and that from the GT5 preview in E3, the physics felt equal to those of Forza 3 too. 

Saying that Race Pro is the only true simulator in consoles is a bit false. Just because SimBin made it =/= only true simulator. 

I agree that saying that GT is the best racing simulator is way too far-fetched, since at the simulation level, even 90s pc games like Gran Prix 2 and Gran Prix Legends have done the simulation aspect far better than even the GTR series (although Gran Prix series is focused on F1 simulation and physics alone, not multi-faceted simulation). But calling them arcade simulators is far-fetched as well.

 Race Pro only sim on console?! F1CE seems to be a very hardcore sim to me. I agree Forza and GT series in good sims yet they are designed more for the controller than  a wheel. I agree at least Race Pro seem to be designed for a wheel though.

not much a difference in terms of graphics between the games.

LMAO have seen few of those.....but man that was awesome :D

GT5 have 1080p 60fps, 720p60fps msaax4. great online and great physics :p

This is an old topic, dude.

Hilarious. It's a sad time on VGC when you have to find glitch videos and say thats the physics. 

When ever Ive talked of physics, I refer to the physics of the cars handling, braking etc. 

A few videos of the rollover maechanic going haywire is what you use to discredit an aruement? Do you know how many times that has happened in over 100 hours of gameplay time to me? twice. 

I could post a load of GT5P handling physics glitches and crash physics glitches of GT5 Academy demo. But thats sad as they are 'GLITCHES' and would be stooping to the low level of GT supporters it would seem.

So how about it ends here.

Well GT5P and GT5 Academy ain't finished products. Prolouge and Demo fails are understandable compared to a complete game >:D