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jarrod on 18 March 2010
Mazty said:
jarrod said:
Mazty said:
jarrod said:
Mazty said:
bmmb1 said:

Slightly fixed. Also, I distinctly recall the exact same argument by a lot of people before NSMBWii came out. This , in conjunction with the argument that everybody who wanted a Wii already got one.

I'm not the minority though - many, many gamers consider the wii to be poor at producing hardcore titles, which is backed by the wii devs and the sales of the more hardcore games as the wii cannot provide advanced graphics, advanced physics and advanced ai - key elements to hardcore titles.

NSMBWii was always going to sell because of a)Japan b)Nostalgia. SMG2 and Zelda already have had titles on the wii, so the nostalgia factor can't/won't kick in.

You don't seem able to grasp that the new Zelda didn't have a predecessor on Wii though.  It's like equating Galaxy 1 to NSMB or Prime 3 to Other M.  This isn't just some sequel, it's a series shift.  It's a situation more like NSMBWii than Galaxy 2 in fact.

As for "poor at hardcore" Wii opinions, well that's pretty much a self-fulfilling prophecy on the platform, and has been the opinion of most naysaying developers and analysts since before the Wii even hit the shelves.  Thankfully the actual market seems to disagree (Galaxy, Twilight Princess, Super Paper Mario, Smash Brawl, Mario Kart, NMH, RE4, MH3, Samurai Warriors 3, TatsuCap, HOTD, etc, etc).

 

Hardcore game = advanced graphics & ai. The wii cannot do either. Twilight Princess was hardly hardcore, or Galaxy etc as they have a large appeal to children, something with seperates hardcore games from casual games. Mario Karts hardcore? Get a grip of reality. And RE4 was on PS2 so hardly a console seller.

The Nintendo spokesman admitted as much so you really can't argue this unless you think you know better then them.

The amount of stupid in this post has brought tears to my eyes. ;_;

There are quite literally games that are more hardcore on DSiWare than something like Modern Warfare 2, GTA4 or Dead Space.  Plz don't breed.

If it's aimed for kids, it's not hardcore. If it's not challenging, it's not hardcore, therefore any game on the wii that relies on AI isn't hardcore. Go pick up a real game and stop QQ ing that your beloved console is meant for kids, as addmitted by the guys who made it.

But I thought my console was made for grandmas?  I'm so confused?! ;_;



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Mazty on 18 March 2010
jarrod said:

But I thought my console was made for grandmas?  I'm so confused?! ;_;

You trolling now? Nintendo admitted that they are no good at bringing hardcore games to the wii.

End of debate.



Nintendogamer on 18 March 2010
Mazty said:
bmmb1 said:
Mazty said:
bmmb1 said:

Slightly fixed. Also, I distinctly recall the exact same argument by a lot of people before NSMBWii came out. This , in conjunction with the argument that everybody who wanted a Wii already got one.

I'm not the minority though - many, many gamers consider the wii to be poor at producing hardcore titles, which is backed by the wii devs and the sales of the more hardcore games as the wii cannot provide advanced graphics, advanced physics and advanced ai - key elements to hardcore titles.

NSMBWii was always going to sell because of a)Japan b)Nostalgia. SMG2 and Zelda already have had titles on the wii, so the nostalgia factor can't/won't kick in.

Hmmm. So it was clear to you what kind of system selling effect NSMBWii will have? Is that why you said October 11th 2009 after the Wii price drop, just a month before NSMBWii came out, "reckon there will be a 75k drop in figures, and a lesser Christmas boom than seen previously. Figures may stablise at 200k, or less, I'd like to think/believe." ?  

I didn't know of the existance of NSMBWii - if I had, it's clear hark back to sheer nostalgia is a certain home run due to all the Nintendo fan boys out there who'd have bought it if it was nothing more than the first level made for wii.

I think Nintendo fans will be betetr than calling us Nintendo fanboys, and you're saying it like it's a bad thing.



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Demotruk on 18 March 2010
Mazty said:
Don't be willfilly stupid - hardcore is going to be in relation to the games in the market at that moment.

So what is it that made a PS2 game hardcore that a Wii game can't? It has to be the best graphics of it's time? That's bollox. You've just made up your own definition to make it so that the Wii automatically can't do hardcore games even though previous generation hardware, with worse graphics and AI, could.



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Blacksaber on 18 March 2010
jarrod said:
Mazty said:
jarrod said:

The amount of stupid in this post has brought tears to my eyes. ;_;

There are quite literally games that are more hardcore on DSiWare than something like Modern Warfare 2, GTA4 or Dead Space.  Plz don't breed.

If it's aimed for kids, it's not hardcore. If it's not challenging, it's not hardcore, therefore any game on the wii that relies on AI isn't hardcore. Go pick up a real game and stop QQ ing that your beloved console is meant for kids, as addmitted by the guys who made it.

But I thought my console was made for grandmas?  I'm so confused?! ;_;

I'm confused as well! And I'm pretty sure the Wii has the most Hardcore game ever! Tomb Raider Underworld Wii version is missing a lever that opens a door thus impossible to complete. And by his standards of hardcore it must be the uberist hardrcorist game ever since it's impossible to beat thus most challenging!



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elticker on 18 March 2010

why the fuck do nintendo fans care if there games are hardcore or not and trying to prove that their games are hardcore. just enjoy your games on your console of choice. Some people dont like hardcore games and some people like em. i like hardcore games and its hard for me to play any of nintendos games anymore unless i am playing it for about 5 to 10 mins its fun then it gets boring for me.
some people are the opposite not being able to paly hardcore games for more than 5-10 mins without getting bored and by hardcore = aimed at mature audience or mature story and gameplay (may include gore, language, intense violence etc.....)
playing nintendo wii doesnt mean your not mature so don't get offended.
I have to admit though i enjoyed pokemon alot when i was younger thats the only thing nintendo did that i liked along with mario but mario now is boring to me.



 

 

Mazty on 18 March 2010

http://www.mcvuk.com/news/38035/Nintendo-Were-not-good-at-core-games

Everyone stop pretending like the Wii is full of hardcore games, unless you know better than the guys who make the damn console.
The internet seems to be filling with retards exponentially....



jarrod on 18 March 2010
Mazty said:
jarrod said:

But I thought my console was made for grandmas?  I'm so confused?! ;_;

You trolling now? Nintendo admitted that they are no good at bringing hardcore games to the wii.

End of debate.

No, Nintendo's admitted that they are no good at bringing herdcore games to Wii.  And it's true, they went out and got REAL HARDCORE™ games like Sin & Punishment 2, Cave Story or Monster Hunter Tri.  Y'know, the sorts of games with no aim assist, with no handholding set piece design, no breadcrumb artificial achievements, no career modes, without even lock on, that would make the average HD neanderthal cry home to momma.

Stupid Nintendo!  You're doing it WRONG!  People don't want hardcore console games, they want dumbed down PC games! >_<



Mazty on 18 March 2010
jarrod said:
Mazty said:
jarrod said:

But I thought my console was made for grandmas?  I'm so confused?! ;_;

You trolling now? Nintendo admitted that they are no good at bringing hardcore games to the wii.

End of debate.

No, Nintendo's admitted that they are no good at bringing herdcore games to Wii.  And it's true, they went out and got REAL HARDCORE™ games like Sin & Punishment 2, Cave Story or Monster Hunter Tri.  Y'know, the sorts of games with no aim assist, with no handholding set piece design, no breadcrumb artificial achievements, no career modes, without even lock on, that would make the average HD neanderthal cry home to momma.

Stupid Nintendo! >_<

 

And top notch AI and physics? Oh wait -.-

Don't be speshal - The wii is not a hardcore game console, and was never intended to be one, hence why it was sold not on technical prowess but the motion controller, which didn't even have 1:1 movement. If you think the wii has anywhere near the same amount of hardcore games as the PS3 or 360, you are kidding yourself and seriously deluded.



Blacksaber on 18 March 2010
Mazty said:
http://www.mcvuk.com/news/38035/Nintendo-Were-not-good-at-core-games

Everyone stop pretending like the Wii is full of hardcore games, unless you know better than the guys who make the damn console.
The internet seems to be filling with retards exponentially....

Implying members are retards or the use of the word is not a good way to keep yourself around long. ^_^



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