I just read on Joystiq about the Alan Wake DLC plans. And I am a little annoyed. Now I must contemplate waiting 6 extra months after it releases, and wait for a special edition ( assuming it happens ) release that contains the DLC. that way I dont end up paying a total of $100 on a game.

I did not get to enjoy Assassin's Creed 2 DLC. I see not point in going back to play something that should have been there from the start. 

it kinda kills the continuity. it's like that Gears of War 2 DLC where you have to go through the stage without fighting. what the fudge was that??

Epic and Cliffy B. can suck it for that. 

Please don't defend DLC's by telling me it's their way of gaining lost revenue! 

ps: Pachter can suck it too

ppss: I do not tie this to GTA 4, those DLC's were full games on their own priced at a reasonable price. to best illustrate my point stick with the Assassin's Creed 2 Example

You know, when you say "the whole DLC thing", you can't limit yourself to some. Yes, some do it badly (AC2 is just one example), but lots do well too. Burnout Paradise, LittleBigPlanet, GTA4 and Fallout 3 are just some games that do DLC right.

I am very much against DLC. As I said before in a previous thread, before this generation such a thing never existed. Developers released their SDKs and since DOOM II games have had map makers, model makers, capmapign makers, etc. They provided countless maps and models and other such things for free to gamers. Now this generation SDKs were removed and no modding tools were included in games. This has allowed companies to charge something along the lines of $15 for a map pack, half of which is a port from an earlier game.

I can tell you that for FPS games before this generation, like BF1942, UT2004, Q3, CS, etc. had hundreds of maps, literally hundreds of not a thousand, and they were all free. Every single one of them. A whole lot of them were even done at a professional level. There were modders who made entire new games out of existing ones, full with new weapons, new skins, new models, new everything, and it was all for free.

In that same thread I also outlined how the logic of publishers is the same as pirates. Both parties have a feeling of entitlement and will do anything to get it. The difference is that at least pirates don't hide what they do while publishers spin all sorts of tales, FUD, and concealment to get theirs.

P.S. I don't even install free "DLC" that comes with games like DA:O and ME2.

I gave credit to GTA 4, and guess i should have mentioned Fallout 3 since it was a great game, my rant is against the idea of removing content to release later as DLC, but i guess I should have been more detailed. I apologize for that

ps: Pachter is the Oracle of stuff already said

Mass Effect 1's DLC was fun. Oblivion DLC was well worth it (especially after playing over 140 hrs in the normal game alone!). Most Halo and Gears DLC's are map packs which extend the playing life of the game dramatically. Each DLC released for Borderlands has been seriously entertaining and well worth the money. I could keep going and going.

Really I don't look at it as "missing content that should've been included in the first damn place." I look at it as a means of extending the life of a game you already like. Really, if I've already put 40+ hrs into ANY game the original $60 price point was well worth it IMO, so any DLC that I might want to find for it, I assume (and am usually correct) that it will be well worth the $5-15 of the DLC.

Take Borderlands as an example. I put about 80 hours into one main character through the core game. After completing 2 walk throughs, I purchased both the Mad Moxxi DLC and the Zombie DLC, played the game about another 35 hrs and set it down once Mass Effect 2 came out. Well, after a few walkthroughs of ME2, there was a new DLC for Borderlands ready (Knoxx's DLC). Now I am completely addicted to Borderlands again and am creeping up on 200 total hrs into ONE character alone. That's nearly 120 hrs of bonus play from DLC. WORTH THE MONEY!

It's like people are afraid of change.

Don't get me wrong, I am totally with you in that I would love to get all of this stuff for free day one, but not everyone can work for free. Blizzard can make continued updates because they're funneled money from WoW and Valve can make continued free updates because of Steam. Everyone else has to get money from some place.

Just be glad they're releasing episodes instead of making you wait two years for a new game.. Or not. Be happy with what they release and show them what you think of their DLC by never touching it. If you really don't want to pay $100, then wait for the inevitable special edition.

The bar has been tremendously raised this generation and it takes money to reach it. DLC and episodes is all about extending the life of a game so you get more enjoyment and the publisher gets more money.

If you don't like it, good for you. Personally, I'm loving DLC from things like Mass Effect and Borderlands.

Now that is different from what you said in the OP, and that I can agree with

i avoid DLC as much as i can... Devs should realize that what makes them get a lot of money is great games not bad games that become good with DLC... i only buy games that are worth the money and devs should focus on making me believe that the games are worth by launching day and need no additions... if a game (like LBP) is planing to live on DLC the disc game should be cheaper than other games (witch they did btw, good move by sony and MM)...

If the Alan Wake DLC good and long enough, they will release it on disc some time after that. If not, play the game, sell your copy and wait for the special edition to get a price drop.

As for Gears 2, that was the reason why it wasn't in the game to begin with. Cliffy thought it's not good enough and he was right.
But for a huge fan of the series, the DLC might be worth a look.

In the case of Assassin's Creed 2, the devs had problems finishing the game in time, so they left out that part to still release the game in the holiday season. Without DLCs those episodes would be lost forever.

Don't like it - don't buy it

easy.