are these kinds of posts allowed on this web site?
Yes.
so you can call Sony/Microsoft/Nintendo arrogant bastards without getting moderated?
They're not people, and its not like its untrue either.
so can you still do that?
Posts slamming a particular platform without basis - be it a specific console, macs, windows, or anything similar - will not be tolerated.
However I never slammed the PS3, it was Sony whom I did target. For what reason? Their arrogance and scorn of the Wiimote and Wii for the past few years. Hence I have a reason and a basis for slamming them.
So basiclly you can slam anything as long as you have a reason for it and you wont get moderated?
Well, that depends.
Case 1:
ZOMG SONY ARE SUCH FAGGOTZ, DEY R JUST COPYING NINTENDO JUST LOOK AT THERE FCKING DILDO CONTROLLER ITS A FKIN WIIMOTE!
There's a reason there. He'll still be banned. Permanently, with luck.
Case 2:
Sony should really be ashamed- they've badmouthed the Wii on several occasions, and now they release a controller which, while different in technology to the Wiimote, is identical in function and use. And then they have the audacity to thank Nintendo, before saying that this is "more advanced". What are your thoughts?
There's a reason there. It's civil. It's open to debate. It's fine.
are these kinds of posts allowed on this web site?
Yes.
so you can call Sony/Microsoft/Nintendo arrogant bastards without getting moderated?
They're not people, and its not like its untrue either.
so can you still do that?
Posts slamming a particular platform without basis - be it a specific console, macs, windows, or anything similar - will not be tolerated.
However I never slammed the PS3, it was Sony whom I did target. For what reason? Their arrogance and scorn of the Wiimote and Wii for the past few years. Hence I have a reason and a basis for slamming them.
So basiclly you can slam anything as long as you have a reason for it and you wont get moderated?
Well, that depends.
Case 1:
ZOMG SONY ARE SUCH FAGGOTZ, DEY R JUST COPYING NINTENDO JUST LOOK AT THERE FCKING DILDO CONTROLLER ITS A FKIN WIIMOTE!
There's a reason there. He'll still be banned. Permanently, with luck.
Case 2:
Sony should really be ashamed- they've badmouthed the Wii on several occasions, and now they release a controller which, while different in technology to the Wiimote, is identical in function and use. And then they have the audacity to thank Nintendo, before saying that this is "more advanced". What are your thoughts?
There's a reason there. It's civil. It's open to debate. It's fine.
what if someone calls Sony ''arrogant bastards'' like that guy did?
ZOMG SONY ARE SUCH FAGGOTZ, DEY R JUST COPYING NINTENDO JUST LOOK AT THERE FCKING DILDO CONTROLLER ITS A FKIN WIIMOTE!
There's a reason there. He'll still be banned. Permanently, with luck.
Case 2:
Sony should really be ashamed- they've badmouthed the Wii on several occasions, and now they release a controller which, while different in technology to the Wiimote, is identical in function and use. And then they have the audacity to thank Nintendo, before saying that this is "more advanced". What are your thoughts?
There's a reason there. It's civil. It's open to debate. It's fine.
what if someone calls Sony ''arrogant bastards'' like that guy did?
Borderline. It would depend on posting history, and the mod who deals with it. It also depends on the context.
In that context...no, I wouldn't ban/warn him. Unless he was a notorious Sony troller, which I don't think he is, but I'm not sure.
hallowedbeeddie said: I some of these posts are pointless. I really doubt sony would have EVER released or announced move if nintendo hadn't risked it all with the wii specially since sony thrashed motion controls so much.
I think they would of released it... It just wouldn't look like it does, wouldn't have those acelometors or whatever and would pretty much just be tracking movement via the camera.
Also, it likely would of got little to no advertisment, very few developers would be working on it and would of been as ignored as the Eye Toy.
Also by the way... if you consider the Eye toy the sole gensis of the PS Move... Sony was still coping...
Since the Eye Toy was a ripoff of the "Dream Eye" for the Dreamcast. They didn't even really change the name all that much.
umm. did you not read what i posted.
IF they would have released it it would be like it would be today, because the guy who created the concept is the same guy who created the EYE TOY
he was doing thing's back in 2000, and 2001 with a "wand with a sphere on top" in 2005 Sony hat the patent application already written up.
the concept has not changed since he made it.
as for a rip off of the dream eye:
Dreamcast Digital Video Camera Unveiled
Sega promises video phone capabilities, and hints at future in-game use.
February 16, 2000 - At a public showing in Tokyo today, Sega of Japan revealed the full load of details on their previously announced "Internet Digital Camera," DreamEye. DreamEye is a camera that connects to the Dreamcast via the controller port, giving the system video capturing capabilities. Sound is received by the included microphone headset, which attaches to the controller using a connection device similar to what we saw of Seaman.
once again:
The EYETOY Was ALSO IN DEVELOPMENT AT THE VERY SAME TIME
1999-2001
dr. MARKS WAS ALREADY DOING SOFTWARE WITH HIS EYE TOY IT WAS ALREADY WORKING
He was already at Sony working on the same IDEA.
A web camera for a game console
I read what you said... your posts are just reaching to find a conclusion you find more palatable.
Technological development diverges to get a concept done... then once a concept is successful accomplished, all of that divergence starts to converge towards the working model making change and forming what they have to be as much like the successful product as they can without infringing on patents.
Sony shouldn't be ashamed of it... but it'd be silly to say it didn't happen.
For example... one of the points of convergence by sony is the accelemetors so that 3D movement can be realized... all the stuff your "showing" was 2D movement only, it's "3D" movement being a trick based on the camera. The tech had nothing that could track for example if you decided to thrust the wand towards the screen. It was PURE 2D movement.
mmm read it again:
in the year 2000's
To show off some of the hardware's potential, Dr. Marx put together a demo called the ''medieval chamber.'' He attached a camera to the PlayStation console, and then wrote a program that would translate the movements of a sword in his hand into images on the TV screen. Although it relies on a single camera, the sword on the screen moves in three dimensions.
I think you need to read my post again. Also look at those early demos... or even more recent demos that just came out recently. When you move the wand up and down like you would a sword... it moves in 3D soley because it tracks the wand moveing downwards. However if you were to THRUST the want like say how you would toast a beer stein... it would not move in 3D.
Nothing involving real 3D showed up until well after the Wii was released.
IT STILL TRACK'S IN 3D:
Magic wand
PlayStation gamers are always looking for exciting new ways to control the onscreen action, but using a camera to track a player's body movement has not worked reliably, admits Sony. The camera gets confused by other things in the room.
Sony's new idea is to plug a webcam into the console, and give the gamer a handheld wand similar to a pocket flashlight. The wand has a battery, a few mouse-like buttons and several different coloured LEDs that can be switched on and off in various combinations.
By pressing the buttons and waving the wand towards the webcam, the gamer can click to shoot aliens, drag-and-drop images on screen and navigate menus.
The webcam is tuned to see only pure bright colours and map their motion in space, so it can ignore ordinary room lights. And if two people have wands with different coloured LEDs, they can play against each other.
The wand's designer alway's knew that was a problem in using this technology, that's why he even talked about it in every demo.
what does that have anything to do with it. the tool's were there it's upto the developer's to deploy them.
It's all pretty much a software base, and like I said before the technology was there, the development was not a priority until after they saw how well Nintendo's did in the market.
it's pretty plain to see that.
if it was just a copy I doubt they would have even got this far yet with it.
Tracking body movements doesn't mean 3D.
Once again... I say look at the actual video.
Note how the bodytracking is completly 2D... interacting in a 3D world. You can't move the ball foward to wack it... you have to wait for the ball to come to you or flick a body part. You can't thrust your hand for it to work.
you post a video of :
Check out a review of Sony's Eye Toy Kinetic from National Lampoon's Gamers in Hong Kong, China. Don't worry it's dubbed over in English.
Produced By: Andrew Schauer
Edited By: Peter Bumgarner
Written & Directed By: Seth Margolin
Copyright National Lampoon 2005
from 2005..lol
and this has been posted already so many time but i guess you have to see it again:
watch the entire video!
I did.. and yeah, i guess they did work on a form of 3d.
Although the video you provided ironically proves you wrong in a number of ways though. Look how different that looks from the final product.
Amusingly where i was wrong was that I had it backwords. It had 3D capabilty... but NOT angle capability.
They didn't figure that part out till 2008. From the same guys mouth... using gyros and acelemonitors... which was gotten from... the Wii.
So we were both wrong... however I was right in the general premise. They had to borrow from the Wii and did for the controller for angle position... "that other people also worked on" in his own words.
About minute 6 if you don't want to see the whole thing. The angle technology didn't come unti after the Wii.
remember he posted this in 2004 they were already done by 2003!
that was stuff they were doing in 2000-2002.
and you know he was talking about a wand, a sphere would be best, and how color's could be used.
an seamore the spaceboy was shown in 2001 that was 3d so how could that have been after taking the IDEAS from Nintendo, and it could do angle's. get out of here with that.
no: they figured it out way before that
Wii remote when was it first shown
The controller was revealed at the TGS on October 14, 2005, with the name "Wii Remote" announced April 27, 2006.
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Magic wand
PlayStation gamers are always looking for exciting new ways to control the onscreen action, but using a camera to track a player's body movement has not worked reliably, admits Sony. The camera gets confused by other things in the room.
Sony's new idea is to plug a webcam into the console, and give the gamer a handheld wand similar to a pocket flashlight. The wand has a battery, a few mouse-like buttons and several different coloured LEDs that can be switched on and off in various combinations.
By pressing the buttons and waving the wand towards the webcam, the gamer can click to shoot aliens, drag-and-drop images on screen and navigate menus.
The webcam is tuned to see only pure bright colours and map their motion in space, so it can ignore ordinary room lights. And if two people have wands with different coloured LEDs, they can play against each other.
mike_intellivision said: Sony has borrowed many-an-idea from Nintendo over the last 15 years.
But given its market position and profit statement, it has to take some action.
Mike from Morgantown
Exactly just like Nintendo has borrowed many Ideas also of the last 15 or more year's just like every other company in the consumer electronic industry it's nothing new
Name me everything Nintendo "borrowed" in the last years from Sony.
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Did you see the video I posted... where he specifically states they didn't combine it with things like accelerometers until 2008?
The angle stuff isn't done by color. It's done by accelerometers and gyros... which isn't at all mentioned there... or anywhere with the controller until 2009.
Did you see the video I posted... where he specifically states they didn't combine it with things like accelerometers until 2008?
The angle stuff isn't done by color. It's done by accelerometers and gyros... which isn't at all mentioned there... or anywhere with the controller until 2009.
yes i did.that does not mean they were not adding them. he said nothing of the sort about barrowing from Nintendo, your trying to say now Nintendo gyroscopic and accelerometer's were Nintendo was the only one's thinking about using them. once again get out of here with that!
the playstation 3 had six axix since 2006, they already had a gyroscopic controll's why would they need to barrow that IDEA from Nintendo. they already knew about it.
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mike_intellivision said: Sony has borrowed many-an-idea from Nintendo over the last 15 years.
But given its market position and profit statement, it has to take some action.
Mike from Morgantown
Exactly just like Nintendo has borrowed many Ideas also of the last 15 or more year's just like every other company in the consumer electronic industry it's nothing new
Name me everything Nintendo "borrowed" in the last years from Sony.
did i say that Nintendo barrowed from Sony?
no I said Nintendo like everyother consumer electronic's companies all barrow IDEAS' it does not mean that all idea's are not EXCLUSIVE to only one person or one company or that only one of them had thoiught of it first. many of time's people have had the same IDEA , they may have worked on it at the same time, some one just was able to get it done first.
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Companies have always operated shamelessly like this: If you're not doing something, either flame it or try and make it seem irrelevent, until you start doing it, then its important.
It can be seen equally in all three right now, when they're all talking about the values of "irregular or long console cycles," but when they're ready to announce new consoles, they'll be talking up the glories of "pioneering technology" and all that.
Companies have always operated shamelessly like this: If you're not doing something, either flame it or try and make it seem irrelevent, until you start doing it, then its important.
It can be seen equally in all three right now, when they're all talking about the values of "irregular or long console cycles," but when they're ready to announce new consoles, they'll be talking up the glories of "pioneering technology" and all that.
while i see what your getting at and while i agree , what would be the point in not talking about it though,?
If you make a new system why would you not talk about what new advancement's your new system has over it's older system.
that's why compareing console's to each other is subjective on what each consumer think's of the system's value .
because each company create's their system as an upgrade to what they had currently on the Market.
they want you as the consumer to know why they deem the upgrade is worth your purchase.
it's like any automobile company. even though your car you have right now work's their next model is what that same car company want's you to buy , but they also know not everyone will by the way. but may later on. the companies job is to keep the new upgrade on as long as they can .
how many SKU's have been released this generation ?
too many to count in my opinion
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