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Garnett on 14 March 2010
ShadowSnake said:
Garnett said:
ShadowSnake said:
Garnett said:
ShadowSnake said:
Garnett said:
Sony may have been deving it but Nintendo brought it to the consoles first, even if Sony did invent it.

Nintendo took the risk of it flopping and it was a huge success, Sony obviously wasnt gonna do it.

Same with the MS surface, even if MS did do it first the Apple Ipad will be the first on the market, therefore MS is coping them.

i agree with you, but what i think theyre trying to say is that sony had the idea of a wand already. the fact is everyone just keeps showing those two comparison shots and saying cmon look at them, it's a "blatant ripoff". no one's denying that nintendo took the risk, made it mainstream and is therefore the one's being copied. but the fact that ppl are just using the hey its a ripoff because "its a wiimote+ball+nunchuk" as the reason for it being a copy is what the op is showing is not true. sony had that idea already.

i mean like you invest money into r&d. come up with an idea. obviously they decided not to go with it. but nintendo now comes along. has huge success with it. now sony and ms are following suite. if you're sony, wouldn't you copy nintendo also? you dun needa invest into r&d for a totally new product. and plus now you can bank off the huge wii success by having multiplat games shared with the wii w/out any risk. it's the only logical decision

EDIT: oh and btw, i am of the opinion that it's kinda too late for sony and ms to profit off of this, this gen. this ship has sailed. which is why if they were to do it, i see the "similar to the nintendo" product being the most logical decision

Sony may of had the MOVE already to go but they didnt launch it, therefore Nintendo took it and ran. 

Its a rip off.. Its not like

 

(2004 or 2005)

Sony CEO #1- Hey guys we have this Motion controller called MOVE and it could be a huge sales success, What do you think?

Sony CEO # 2- No Motion controlled games will never be a huge success, You think the PS2 sold 140 million with waggling technology?

E3 2006( or 2005 i forgot) Nintendo's Reggie - Ladies and Gentlemen we have the Wii, its a motion contolled system for the family.

Sony CEO #1- Guys they have the motion controlled system, we should include the MOVE with the purchase of every PS3

Sony CEO # 2- No were not gonna take that big of a risk, instead we will include six axis built into the controller of every PS3.

 

2009 and the Wii is 40 million units ahead of the PS3

E3 2009 and after the flop of Six Axis (I mean really few games use it, im calling it a flop)

Sony CEO  - Well ladies and gentlemen, here is the PS MOVE! 

 

lol ok first off. only a bad company needs two ceo's. (hadda say it)

and this is where we differ. see there's a diff. between a rip-off of a product and copying an idea. sony copied and followed this trend created by nintendo. but they're not ripping off anything. they created the product a long time ago. by your logic nintendo ripped off the whole idea of home video games from magnavox, atari and others and before that, they ripped off the idea of trading/playing cards from the tobacco and gum companies who printed baseball players on cards.

i don't understand why ppl have such a big problem with takign a good idea and trying to improve on it. it adds competition. now both sony and more importantly nintendo need to look ahead to something better to grab the market share come next gen.

I didnt know what to put for the CEO part.

 Nintendo took the risk and made it popular, Sony is doing it just because its popular, not because they want to be innovative.

Its a rip off, and no one said Rip offs are bad.

Copied = Rip off

Btw im all for competition. 

ya i follow what you're saying but last time i checked nintendo wasn't in the "making you you happy" or the "i only want to be be innovative" business. they're all in it for the money. don't ever forget that. nintendo always tries to be innovative because they may want to improve gaming, don't get me wrong. but this is paralleled with sony investing a large portion of their budget on devs to make new types of games in diff. genres. but if there isn't money money to be made in makign these investments, these investments won't be made by either company.

but now say sony we're to come up with wtv it was. it's successful, you don't think nintendo would follow suite? or even better, what if playstation implemented an idea that was a huge flop but essentially had a lot of unknown potential for the gamer, i think no one, even nintendo would approach it, as if it were the bubonic plague.

Innovation = Money 

This is proven.

PS1- CD's 

PS2- DVD's

Xbox = LIVE

Wii = Motion controles

PS3 Blue Ray ?? = Time will tell



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joeorc on 14 March 2010
Twistedpixel said:
Doobie_wop said:
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Still a copy.

For example:

Say im fishing along the side of the river with two of my friends, then I decide to go take it upon myself to wade across the river. Now im catching twice as many fish as my friends. So they decide to cross the river to get to my side too in order to catch some of the fish.

Question: Since they could have crossed the river at any time does that mean they aren't copying me? IMO obviously they are copying me.

The argument in every other thread was that Sony are unoriginal, they directly copied Nintendo and that Nintendo invented Motion controls. These articles basically prove those arguments wrong, Sony maybe entering late, but they came up with the idea before the success of the Wii. Nintendo took the risk, Sony observed the market and followed after. The same way that Sony took the risk with a disk based format (even though every other previous disk based console failed) and Nintendo saw its success and used it on the Gamecube. Everyone does it, get over it.

If they had the technology and didn't have the will to use it or if they didn't have the technology but still had the will then either way they copied Nintendo. The very idea of making a Wii like interface a core focus of the console was Nintendos own, the technology to make it work in an efficient and affordable way in 2006 was also Nintendos own. Sony's implementation is still more expensive and has not shown more than marginal benefits over the original Wii concept.

o'l god here we freakin go again.

derail..derail..derail.only if its a sony thread .



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eggs2see on 14 March 2010

Ive actually seen the video on this, ill see if i can find it again. Yeah sony would be kicking them selves, well maybe. Remember bluray is big business, and the ps3 getting blurays into homes was a major factor in it beating hd-dvd. Look at the larger picture my fellow gamers.

 

Edit: Here is the youtube video.



ChrisIsNotSexy on 14 March 2010

Good read



joeorc on 14 March 2010

for the last d@mn time it was not a copy, it was not a d@mn clone, boith Sony and Nintendo were working on the

Same IDEA for motion control's for control software:

this is mr. marks himself in 2004 showing what he demod in 2001

so it's not a clone or a copy, or a rip off, the Ceo's decided not to explore further until it was proven in the market place Nintendo took the risk, Sony CEO's decided not too

that's all. Sony did not copy The IDEA from Nintendo get over it.



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joeorc on 14 March 2010
eggs2see said:

Ive actually seen the video on this, ill see if i can find it again. Yeah sony would be kicking them selves, well maybe. Remember bluray is big business, and the ps3 getting blurays into homes was a major factor in it beating hd-dvd. Look at the larger picture my fellow gamers.

 

Edit: Here is the youtube video.

notice:

this is mr. marks himself in 2004 showing what he demod in 2001



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ChrisIsNotSexy on 14 March 2010

Yes,Sony did not copy the idea from Nintendo,they only copied the design,but maybe this particular design is perfect for a motion controller,so...why would Sony give us something bad?



ShadowSnake on 14 March 2010
Garnett said:

Innovation = Money 

This is proven.

PS1- CD's 

PS2- DVD's

Xbox = LIVE

Wii = Motion controles

PS3 Blue Ray ?? = Time will tell

but then you admit that nintendo is in it for the money as well so don't say that sony is only doing it because it is popular. because by saying that you're implying they dun give a rats ass about actually improving our gaming experience while nintendo is.

you know it's like with LIVE, ms brought online gaming to a whole new level and nintendo has never really embraced it. can you honestly say that you believe them that online play is not a priority to them. how exactly is avoiding it making wii consumers' experience more enjoyable, it's one less option out there for them.

anyway. i'm off to bed. it's been fun talking



jarrod on 14 March 2010

Marks' work in "augmented reality" and man-machine interplay isn't really much like Wii. It's basically the next evolution of stuff that started with the EyeToy, and it's really a different implementation for motion interface entirely.

Where Sony's taken after Nintendo pretty clearly is in integrating accelerometers, the primary remote design and the "sub" controller design. That's why people post the amusingly similar PR shots, and let the photos do the talking...



joeorc on 14 March 2010
ChrisIsNotSexy said:
Yes,Sony did not copy the idea from Nintendo,they only copied the design,but maybe this particular design is perfect for a motion controller,so...why would Sony give us something bad?

they did not even copy that may i direct you to exibit a:

or

it's not even a design copy fella's

an electronic remote or "Wand"



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