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Bamboleo said:
@ garnett

Stick your opinion to yourself and don't turn it into facts.
If people prefer HD just for the sake of it, PS3 or 360 would be outselling the Wii, and that's not definitely the case.

On the contrary people do perfer HD over SD resolution any day..

But your average consumer, Doesn't know if the wii is HD or not.. they just plug it in, thinking its a games machine and thats it.



 

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Garnett said:
Snesboy said:
Garnett said:
Snesboy said:
Garnett said:
Carl2291 said:
Just like Nintendo will be embarrassed when they go HD!

Innovation at its finest...

 

We did HD like what 4-5 years go?

 

We are doing motion controls now, Nintendo needs to move on and go HD.

Oh because a resolution mode makes a huge difference!

 

/sarcasm

 

If it's widescreen, it's good enough for me.

It actually does.

Thats fine if you like SD,most if not all people like or want to watch and play games in HD.

HD still is just a goddamn screen resolution.

Yes but there are graphical enhancements, Those graphical enhancements cannot be seen on a SD tv.

It IS a huge difference.

See, I've played games with over 50% more pixels than the glorified "Full HD" before PS3 or Xbox360 even launched, and some people go even higher, so you could make the exact same point about "HD". The fact is that HD is meaningless, it's not a tangible thing, it's not the top resolution, it's just the top affordable range of resolutions for TVs. How can that be a matter of innovation or mimickery?



"Those graphical enhancements cannot be seen on a SD tv."

I've played HD games on both HD and SD screens, and those enhancements do show up on SDTVs.

"On the contrary people do perfer HD over SD resolution any day."

That was not the context of Bambeleo's comment, and your comment should read "some people", since, as noted, the Wii is outselling the HD systems.



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chaospluto said:

You're making things sound way more glorified then they should be.  

Cartridges couldn't hold much media, nor could it push FMVs like the PS1, sure RE2 showed FMV in N64 but how many games came out on N64 that could actually do it?  Not many, most of the FMVs were stripped from the game in order to release on the N64.  Sure later on they released an Addon RAM Pak, that allowed more detail, but unfortunately it was a little too late.  Also, the sound quality was no where near CD quality the PS1 could push out.

and Cartridges protected against piracy?  Yeah, OK, because my brother had every N64 game that came out, it required a simple Mod.  He definitely wasn't the only person to do this, since he was showed by a friend.  I'm not saying PS1 was protected, it was rather easy to pirate PS1 games.  But it was equally as easy on both systems.  I'm not one to pirate any games, I just gave my input on it.

Oh and my bad on the Mini-DvDs.  What I meant to say, it was a tech that just didn't catch on.  MiniDvD was nothing more than just that, a miniature sized DvD.   It held more, read/write faster, but other than that, it was still a DvD.

 

Yes I know the Wii is using DvD because well BluRay no one knew it would be big as it is today.  DvD is still fine, I'm just saying, by Next-Gen it will be old.  I would expect Nintendo to use something different by that point anyways.

I wouldn't call what Nintendo used "High-Tech".  High tech is something that is Vastly superior, not minimal.

The RAM pack has no relevance on the inclusion of FMV or pre-rendered CGI on the N64.   The carteidge medium itself came in several sizes ranging form 8 MB's to 64 MB's (32Mb's to 512 Mb's).  Most titles were in the 32 MB's (256 Mb's).   The lack of FMV or pre-rendered CGI is relevant only in presentation.  In game graphics were not as limited by the smaller medium capacity as several titles proved to show a graphical superioty than PS titles.  Especially mutliplatform titles.  The N64 always looked better.

I didn't say it guranteed protection against piracy, I said it protected against it and it did so much better than the PS's optical CD medium. 

Indeed Mini-DVD basically was just a smaller sized DVD but that hardly makes it old tech.  Especially given it was more advanced than the standard DVD.

And high tech doesn't mean vastly superior, it just means the latest technological advancement in a given field.  I could give you a long list of high tech components utilized by Nintendo over the years but I have the impression you would simply do all you could to spin those and make it look bad to support your preconceived notions instead of actually learn something and concede he facts.

Garnett said:
Snesboy said:

HD still is just a goddamn screen resolution.

Yes but there are graphical enhancements, Those graphical enhancements cannot be seen on a SD tv.

It IS a huge difference.

 Why don't you list those graphical enhancements that can only be viewed at 720 and higher resolution?  I'm really curious to know what graphical effects are invisible below 720 resolution. 



The rEVOLution is not being televised

Viper1 said:
chaospluto said:

You're making things sound way more glorified then they should be.  

Cartridges couldn't hold much media, nor could it push FMVs like the PS1, sure RE2 showed FMV in N64 but how many games came out on N64 that could actually do it?  Not many, most of the FMVs were stripped from the game in order to release on the N64.  Sure later on they released an Addon RAM Pak, that allowed more detail, but unfortunately it was a little too late.  Also, the sound quality was no where near CD quality the PS1 could push out.

and Cartridges protected against piracy?  Yeah, OK, because my brother had every N64 game that came out, it required a simple Mod.  He definitely wasn't the only person to do this, since he was showed by a friend.  I'm not saying PS1 was protected, it was rather easy to pirate PS1 games.  But it was equally as easy on both systems.  I'm not one to pirate any games, I just gave my input on it.

Oh and my bad on the Mini-DvDs.  What I meant to say, it was a tech that just didn't catch on.  MiniDvD was nothing more than just that, a miniature sized DvD.   It held more, read/write faster, but other than that, it was still a DvD.

 

Yes I know the Wii is using DvD because well BluRay no one knew it would be big as it is today.  DvD is still fine, I'm just saying, by Next-Gen it will be old.  I would expect Nintendo to use something different by that point anyways.

I wouldn't call what Nintendo used "High-Tech".  High tech is something that is Vastly superior, not minimal.

The RAM pack has no relevance on the inclusion of FMV or pre-rendered CGI on the N64.   The carteidge medium itself came in several sizes ranging form 8 MB's to 64 MB's (32Mb's to 512 Mb's).  Most titles were in the 32 MB's (256 Mb's).   The lack of FMV or pre-rendered CGI is relevant only in presentation.  In game graphics were not as limited by the smaller medium capacity as several titles proved to show a graphical superioty than PS titles.  Especially mutliplatform titles.  The N64 always looked better.

I didn't say it guranteed protection against piracy, I said it protected against it and it did so much better than the PS's optical CD medium. 

Indeed Mini-DVD basically was just a smaller sized DVD but that hardly makes it old tech.  Especially given it was more advanced than the standard DVD.

And high tech doesn't mean vastly superior, it just means the latest technological advancement in a given field.  I could give you a long list of high tech components utilized by Nintendo over the years but I have the impression you would simply do all you could to spin those and make it look bad to support your preconceived notions instead of actually learn something and concede he facts.

Garnett said:
Snesboy said:

HD still is just a goddamn screen resolution.

Yes but there are graphical enhancements, Those graphical enhancements cannot be seen on a SD tv.

It IS a huge difference.

 Why don't you list those graphical enhancements that can only be viewed at 720 and higher resolution?  I'm really curious to know what graphical effects are invisible below 720 resolution. 

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I would count MS in this "Shame for you" threat, at least they tried to be original keeping the same "New controls" idea behind.



abcdario said:
I would count MS in this "Shame for you" threat, at least they tried to be original keeping the same "New controls" idea behind.

I like what MS is doing. I personally wouldn't buy another 360, but I definitely appreciate going in a different direction with motion control as opposed to Sony's sad ripoff. I'm excited for what Natal could possibily do. Even if it fails something great may come of it.

Yeah, I do feel embarrassed for Sony, because it's not even a subtle ripoff like their PS1/2/3 controller was.

I guess in the end that's my problem with move and why I won't buy it. They had a chance to go in a different direction and expand the possibilities of what a controller is. And what did they opt for instead? A ripoff. A Chintendo Vii.



Farmageddon said:
Garnett said:
Snesboy said:
Garnett said:
Snesboy said:
Garnett said:
Carl2291 said:
Just like Nintendo will be embarrassed when they go HD!

Innovation at its finest...

 

We did HD like what 4-5 years go?

 

We are doing motion controls now, Nintendo needs to move on and go HD.

Oh because a resolution mode makes a huge difference!

 

/sarcasm

 

If it's widescreen, it's good enough for me.

It actually does.

Thats fine if you like SD,most if not all people like or want to watch and play games in HD.

HD still is just a goddamn screen resolution.

Yes but there are graphical enhancements, Those graphical enhancements cannot be seen on a SD tv.

It IS a huge difference.

See, I've played games with over 50% more pixels than the glorified "Full HD" before PS3 or Xbox360 even launched, and some people go even higher, so you could make the exact same point about "HD". The fact is that HD is meaningless, it's not a tangible thing, it's not the top resolution, it's just the top affordable range of resolutions for TVs. How can that be a matter of innovation or mimickery?

Thats nice that you played them on PC's but were talking about CONSOLES.

 

My computer cannot connect to my TV.

 

@Viper1

Draw Distance and Enemies or objects far way. If it was on a SD console it would be blurry and pixels. 



But that hardly means they aren't there. Sharpening the objects in the distance is hardly innovative nor does it affect gameplay or user interactivity.

Draw distance itself is more a processing issue than a resolution issue. Simply outputting the Wii video feed at a higher resolution won't enhance draw distance (would in fact reduce it a bit).

The complaint you seem to have is 2 fold. You want the higher resolution and an increase on processing power.



The rEVOLution is not being televised

Garnett said:
Farmageddon said:

See, I've played games with over 50% more pixels than the glorified "Full HD" before PS3 or Xbox360 even launched, and some people go even higher, so you could make the exact same point about "HD". The fact is that HD is meaningless, it's not a tangible thing, it's not the top resolution, it's just the top affordable range of resolutions for TVs. How can that be a matter of innovation or mimickery?

Thats nice that you played them on PC's but were talking about CONSOLES.

 

My computer cannot connect to my TV.

 

@Viper1

Draw Distance and Enemies or objects far way. If it was on a SD console it would be blurry and pixels. 

Look, the point I'm trying to make is that it would be more expensive and less people would actually be able to use it, but the technology exists for a hypotetical console to go over-HD, wich is exactly the same comparsion between HD and SD, so there's nothing special or innovative about HD for it to be "copied". Also, so what if it's a console or a PC, it's being applied to games.

And it's hard for any computer nowadays to not be able to hook to a modern TV.