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gamelover2000 on 12 March 2010
KylieDog said:
Because we ruled half the world.

So did Holland, Italy and Greece :P



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mirgro on 12 March 2010
gamelover2000 said:
KylieDog said:
Because we ruled half the world.

So did Holland, Italy and Greece :P

And Spain.



Tallgeese101 on 12 March 2010
mirgro said:
gamelover2000 said:
KylieDog said:
Because we ruled half the world.

So did Holland, Italy and Greece :P

And Spain.

 

Rubbish.



Pyro as Bill on 12 March 2010

We're not European or part of the Eurasian continent. We're Atlantans. We belong to the Atlantic more than europe.

Winston Churchill, who is like Jesus in our religion, once said:
"...each time we must choose between Europe and the open sea, we shall always choose the open sea.''



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Pyro as Bill on 12 March 2010
trashleg said:
pfft PLEASE,

its not the UK.

its England, Wales and N.I. and then there's Scotland.

so while the englanders pretend they're not in Europe, we're still fighting that we're not even in the UK


Some of us hate King James VI of SCOTLAND as much as you trashleg  

Queen Elizabeth the first must have gone a little mad in her old age. Maybe she felt a little guilty about Mary Queen of Scotch Scots.



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Kantor on 12 March 2010
Kasz216 said:
Seriously guys... Europe's not really a continent. It has less claim then India or the Middle East would geographically and they have really just as much geopolitically.

Europe's existence is largely political/cultural. It's made up of everything from the eastmost colonising country of the 1700s to the Atlantic Ocean.

The use of the term "Europe" has developed gradually throughout history.[7][8] In antiquity, the Greek historian Herodotus mentioned that the world had been divided by unknown persons into the three continents of Europe, Asia, and Libya (Africa), with the Nile and the river Phasis forming their boundaries—though he also states that some considered the River Don, rather than the Phasis, as the boundary between Europe and Asia.[9] Flavius Josephus and the Book of Jubilees described the continents as the lands given by Noah to his three sons; Europe was defined as between the Pillars of Hercules at Cadiz, separating it from Africa, and the Don, separating it from Asia.[10]

This division—as much cultural as geographical—was used until the Late Middle Ages, when it was challenged by the Age of Discovery.[11][12] The problem of redefining Europe was finally resolved in 1730 when, instead of waterways, the Swedish geographer and cartographer von Strahlenberg proposed the Ural Mountains as the most significant eastern boundary, a suggestion that found favour in Russia and throughout Europe.[13]

Europe is now generally defined by geographers as the westernmost peninsula of Eurasia, with its boundaries marked by large bodies of water to the north, west and south; Europe's limits to the far east are usually taken to be the Urals, the Ural River, and the Caspian Sea; to the southeast, the Caucasus Mountains, the Black Sea and the waterways connecting the Black Sea to the Mediterranean Sea.[14]



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MontanaHatchet on 12 March 2010
Kasz216 said:
Seriously guys... Europe's not really a continent. It has less claim then India or the Middle East would geographically and they have really just as much geopolitically.

WE GET IT.



 

 

Kasz216 on 13 March 2010
Kantor said:
Kasz216 said:
Seriously guys... Europe's not really a continent. It has less claim then India or the Middle East would geographically and they have really just as much geopolitically.

Europe's existence is largely political/cultural. It's made up of everything from the eastmost colonising country of the 1700s to the Atlantic Ocean.

The use of the term "Europe" has developed gradually throughout history.[7][8] In antiquity, the Greek historian Herodotus mentioned that the world had been divided by unknown persons into the three continents of Europe, Asia, and Libya (Africa), with the Nile and the river Phasis forming their boundaries—though he also states that some considered the River Don, rather than the Phasis, as the boundary between Europe and Asia.[9] Flavius Josephus and the Book of Jubilees described the continents as the lands given by Noah to his three sons; Europe was defined as between the Pillars of Hercules at Cadiz, separating it from Africa, and the Don, separating it from Asia.[10]

This division—as much cultural as geographical—was used until the Late Middle Ages, when it was challenged by the Age of Discovery.[11][12] The problem of redefining Europe was finally resolved in 1730 when, instead of waterways, the Swedish geographer and cartographer von Strahlenberg proposed the Ural Mountains as the most significant eastern boundary, a suggestion that found favour in Russia and throughout Europe.[13]

Europe is now generally defined by geographers as the westernmost peninsula of Eurasia, with its boundaries marked by large bodies of water to the north, west and south; Europe's limits to the far east are usually taken to be the Urals, the Ural River, and the Caspian Sea; to the southeast, the Caucasus Mountains, the Black Sea and the waterways connecting the Black Sea to the Mediterranean Sea.[14]

Politics and culture seperation really doesn't fly.  India and the Middle East are closer in culture to Europe then the rest of asia, yet they get "sub continent status" rather then full continent despite fitting more of the geographical needs to be a continent.



Kantor on 13 March 2010
Kasz216 said:
Kantor said:
Kasz216 said:
Seriously guys... Europe's not really a continent. It has less claim then India or the Middle East would geographically and they have really just as much geopolitically.

Europe's existence is largely political/cultural. It's made up of everything from the eastmost colonising country of the 1700s to the Atlantic Ocean.

The use of the term "Europe" has developed gradually throughout history.[7][8] In antiquity, the Greek historian Herodotus mentioned that the world had been divided by unknown persons into the three continents of Europe, Asia, and Libya (Africa), with the Nile and the river Phasis forming their boundaries—though he also states that some considered the River Don, rather than the Phasis, as the boundary between Europe and Asia.[9] Flavius Josephus and the Book of Jubilees described the continents as the lands given by Noah to his three sons; Europe was defined as between the Pillars of Hercules at Cadiz, separating it from Africa, and the Don, separating it from Asia.[10]

This division—as much cultural as geographical—was used until the Late Middle Ages, when it was challenged by the Age of Discovery.[11][12] The problem of redefining Europe was finally resolved in 1730 when, instead of waterways, the Swedish geographer and cartographer von Strahlenberg proposed the Ural Mountains as the most significant eastern boundary, a suggestion that found favour in Russia and throughout Europe.[13]

Europe is now generally defined by geographers as the westernmost peninsula of Eurasia, with its boundaries marked by large bodies of water to the north, west and south; Europe's limits to the far east are usually taken to be the Urals, the Ural River, and the Caspian Sea; to the southeast, the Caucasus Mountains, the Black Sea and the waterways connecting the Black Sea to the Mediterranean Sea.[14]

Politics and culture seperation really doesn't fly.  India and the Middle East are closer in culture to Europe then the rest of asia, yet they get "sub continent status" rather then full continent despite fitting more of the geographical needs to be a continent.

India is a little far from Europe to be part of Europe... the Indian subcontinent (South Asia) isn't large enough to be a continent; it consists of four countries. And if you're going to argue culture, how close is America to Mexico and the Central American countries in culture?

As for the Middle East, the gap is just too enormous for it to be part of Europe. A fair few of the Middle Eastern countries still lack democracy, and use Sharia law. I can see the argument for it being its own continent, but I would say it's too small (in terms of population) to justify that. Australia only gets to be a continent because it's so far from everything.



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Kasz216 on 13 March 2010
Kantor said:
Kasz216 said:
Kantor said:
Kasz216 said:
Seriously guys... Europe's not really a continent. It has less claim then India or the Middle East would geographically and they have really just as much geopolitically.

Europe's existence is largely political/cultural. It's made up of everything from the eastmost colonising country of the 1700s to the Atlantic Ocean.

The use of the term "Europe" has developed gradually throughout history.[7][8] In antiquity, the Greek historian Herodotus mentioned that the world had been divided by unknown persons into the three continents of Europe, Asia, and Libya (Africa), with the Nile and the river Phasis forming their boundaries—though he also states that some considered the River Don, rather than the Phasis, as the boundary between Europe and Asia.[9] Flavius Josephus and the Book of Jubilees described the continents as the lands given by Noah to his three sons; Europe was defined as between the Pillars of Hercules at Cadiz, separating it from Africa, and the Don, separating it from Asia.[10]

This division—as much cultural as geographical—was used until the Late Middle Ages, when it was challenged by the Age of Discovery.[11][12] The problem of redefining Europe was finally resolved in 1730 when, instead of waterways, the Swedish geographer and cartographer von Strahlenberg proposed the Ural Mountains as the most significant eastern boundary, a suggestion that found favour in Russia and throughout Europe.[13]

Europe is now generally defined by geographers as the westernmost peninsula of Eurasia, with its boundaries marked by large bodies of water to the north, west and south; Europe's limits to the far east are usually taken to be the Urals, the Ural River, and the Caspian Sea; to the southeast, the Caucasus Mountains, the Black Sea and the waterways connecting the Black Sea to the Mediterranean Sea.[14]

Politics and culture seperation really doesn't fly.  India and the Middle East are closer in culture to Europe then the rest of asia, yet they get "sub continent status" rather then full continent despite fitting more of the geographical needs to be a continent.

India is a little far from Europe to be part of Europe... the Indian subcontinent (South Asia) isn't large enough to be a continent; it consists of four countries. And if you're going to argue culture, how close is America to Mexico and the Central American countries in culture?

As for the Middle East, the gap is just too enormous for it to be part of Europe. A fair few of the Middle Eastern countries still lack democracy, and use Sharia law. I can see the argument for it being its own continent, but I would say it's too small (in terms of population) to justify that. Australia only gets to be a continent because it's so far from everything.

No, that's my point YOU'RE arugeing culture.  It's not that India and the Middle East should be part of europe.  It's that Europe isn't culturally distinct enough to fit the category.  It's more like the Middle East and India then the rest of Asia is.

If we're argueing culturally, China and the areas around it have a much more distinct and unique culture.  This is espiecally true considering that 2/3rds of Russia is considered "in asia" yet not that culturally distinct from the rest of Russia.

 

If you argue a cultural divide in continents... there should be FAR more then Europe.  It would have to be  North America, Pan America, Southern America, Western Europe, Eastern Europe, North eastern Africa, Southern Africa,   The middle east (including egypt), India, Europe and China, and Australia.

 

Seems like way too many "continents" to learn.