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ioi said:
Chrizum said:

I'd say people occasionally helping out with the game database are of value to the site as well, but hey that's just me.

Agreed which is why we could have concessions for those who earn a certain number of vg$ per month or hold an official position on the site who could have ad-free acess to the site for free in exchange for the work they do to help maintain the game database and so on. I started off in this thread by stating how "value" isn't necessarily linked directly to currency.

I would argue, however, that posting threads in forums isn't really contributing to the site as such. You do it for your own enjoyment, not as a chore to help out the site. The forums are something that the site provides and pays to host for your enjoyment. I'm not saying that a lot of good doesn't come from the forums, but it is definitely a "cost" from a financial point of view.

I don't think it's that simple though. One of the reasons I'm here are the excellent posts by the likes of Khuutra and other posters. I wouldn't be here if the forums didn't have members posting quality stuff.

Of course, those members can post quality stuff with their Adblockers disabled (if they even have one), but theoratically, users like that could disappear if this rule is enforced.

I'm neutral in this case. I understand you need the revenue, and the site wouldn't exist if everyone would be blocking the ads. I'm not convinced, however, that most people block ads out of inconvenience, but rather because of security reasons. I don't think telling people it isn't their right to disable ads is the best way to do this, too.

Again, I'm neutral on the case. I think it's too complex to take one side at the moment, but the best course of action would be to satisfy both parties, which isn't the case with banning people with Adblockers.



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Actually, I just thought of something that is semi-related- can we get a more prominent link to the VGC Shop at Amazon? Because I never see this link, I always forget to do my Amazon purchases through it, and with that being where I get most of my games, it's something extra that I'd be willing to do.



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ioi said:

Not sure especially why we're even entertaining this line of discussion but go and visit Eurogamer. I count a background ad which swallows up to banner ads top right (3 ads total), a square ad and leaderboard down the page and a further 5-6 mini ads all over the site advertising partnerships like get games, shopto and so on. Go to MCV and I counted a background ad and the top 2 ads again (3 in total) with a further square ad under the article, 12 rectangle ads down the right side of the page and varios logos and banner advertising partnerships on the bottom. I see twelve different ads and promotions on gamesradar. On VGChartz we currently have a skin and header (which are internal promotions i.e we're not making money from them) and 4 banner ads on most pages, 5 on news pages and 6 in total on a long forum thread.

I don't see the quantity, placement or style of ads we use on VGChartz as being atypical.

There is an element of mutual respect but that is why we don't show pornograpic ads, ads that take over the whole screen, ads that are offensive and so on. The actual content and quantity of the ads is down to us at the end of the day and we chose whether to "tone it down a peg" or not. Back to the core issue here - if you don't like it then you have two options - not use the site or to pay for an ad-free version.

Sorry ioi but Eurgamer does NOT have anywhere near as many annoying ads compared to here, I have never blocked the ads on Eurgamer as i'm fine with them, here I always block them due to how annoying and potentially unsafe they are.

You said to me yesterday you use the same ads as Eurogamer, if that is the case how come none of their adverts are annoying like the ones here? how come Eurogamer ads have NEVER caused malware issues and trojen alerts to pop up from your anti virus software?

 

I did turn my ad blocker off this morning to have a look at this site as I said I would but I turned it back on again due to the following I noticed on this site today:

1, My browser stops responding when I have my adblocker off and I visit this site, the memory footprint goes sky high and the whole PC slows down, this is due to how much flash this site uses on its adverts, no other site I visit causes issues like this, only this one. (I can post screenshots and even video to prove this)

2, There are way too many adverts on each page here, 5-8 adverts per page, are you serious?

3, Some of the adverts are VERY annoying, the ones that creep up at the bottom of the page that you have to click close on, the O2 and xbox live ones are fine but they are the only ones I actually don't mind.

 

 

I tried like I said I would but at this present time I am not in a position to turn my adblocker off for VGChartz, if your adverts improve and cause no problems for my web browsers (Firefox and Chrome) and PC (which slows right down on this site when adverts are on) then I will be happy to test it again.

I can post comparasion shots and stats if you want them just to show you the load/memory etc my pc uses with and without adverts on this site.

 

 

P.S, just incase you wondered I am a web designer and have been for the last 10 years, I have created many sites with and without advert revenue systems, I know PHP/HTML which this site uses and certainly know when a site and it's adverts cause issues on consumers pc's/laptops/netbooks.



 

Well I've definetly been persauded by ioi's position.  The price of admittance is viewing a few ads or a small fee.  If you don't like it go somewhere else.
This is not the day of the dotcom boom, websites need real revenue to be viable.

Well I've definetly been persauded by ioi's position.  The price of admittance is viewing a few ads or a small fee.  If you don't like it go somewhere else.

 

This is not the day of the dotcom boom, websites need real revenue to be viable.

 



Just curious, when VG Chartz 3.0 or 4.0? comes will there be less ads because of the subscription fees? or will the ads stay the same.



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Please people, if you are seeing malware attempts right now, report them to ioi. I am getting them but no one else seems to be, which makes me look pretty sketchy. Please don't just complain about it happening, let ioi know!



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I've never been really one to block ads, but the ones here aren't that bad. They've gotten a lot better with time.



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epicurean said:
Please people, if you are seeing malware attempts right now, report them to ioi. I am getting them but no one else seems to be, which makes me look pretty sketchy. Please don't just complain about it happening, let ioi know!

I think it's been like that throughout this sites entire life.

Some people are getting warnings of malicious code when visiting this site but others are getting nothing but presuming it must be because the user getting infected is visiting porn or torrent sites.

I don't know enough about exploits in ads but are they able to specifically attack certain vulnerabilities on specific users PCs and from specific IP addresses?

 



llewdebkram said:
epicurean said:
Please people, if you are seeing malware attempts right now, report them to ioi. I am getting them but no one else seems to be, which makes me look pretty sketchy. Please don't just complain about it happening, let ioi know!

I think it's been like that throughout this sites entire life.

Some people are getting warnings of malicious code when visiting this site but others are getting nothing but presuming it must be because the user getting infected is visiting porn or torrent sites.

I don't know enough about exploits in ads but are they able to specifically attack certain vulnerabilities on specific users PCs and from specific IP addresses?

 


Well the people getting the warnings need to say something or he can't do anything about it or figure out which ad agency it is. 

It does sound like different countries do get different ads and, yes, there can be malicious code that only affects some OS/browsers depending on the vulnarbilities in that software.  Speaking of which, I think my IE8 might have a couple updates...I should do that now...



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ioi said:
cdude1034 said:

Also, are you really suggesting people leave if they don't like it? I've been using this site almost since its inception, and I have to say, that attitude is a far cry from the humble beginning it had. Personally, I don't think alienation is the route to take. The more people you drive out, the more the community suffers, and the less people want to participate, leading to even less revenue for you.

Again, you seem to miss the point here. If it was your bank account that the serving fees, hosting fees, staff fees, data collection fees, expenses and so on were coming out of then I'm sure you'd approach this in a pretty serious manner as well! This isn't a charity, everything that is provided costs money and they money needs to be generated just like in any business.

I have no issues driving out people who are costing the site money without giving anything back (and giving back includes more than just allowing ads - all those who volunteer to help run the database and moderate the forums are giving back to the site in their own way and if anything, they are the ones who would immediately benefit from reducing costs or increasing site revenue as we could afford to start paying them for the work they do along with the rest of the staff).

No, I get the point. The site needs money to survive, and if you block ads, you effectively are getting the service without paying for it. Trust me, I am crystal clear on this issue.

My problem comes with the attitude of "If you don't like it, then get out!" As a long-time member it pains me to see this from the same person who humbly asked us to go out and tell our friends about this site.

Now I understand this site is essentially a business, and that this is probably your full-time job at this point, but this site cannot survive without the community. Conversely, the community can survive without the site - we can just move to a new site. That's not a threat, and I absolutely love this site, but the arrogance is turning me off a little bit. Any online business should be grateful to ALL of it's customers, even the ones who block the ads, because they keep it alive and thriving, if not by looking at the ads, then by adding fuel to the community fire.

The more people you drive out of the community, the less people will want to participate. That's my argument.

As others have posted before, there are many creative ways to keep people from blocking ads, but kicking people out is not (in my humble opinion), a very good option. It creates resentment and only hurts the site.

That being said, I love this site and I hope you make enough money to keep up the good work.



 

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