axumblade said:
TheRealMafoo said:
axumblade said:
TheRealMafoo said:
axumblade said:
You do know that most gays just want equal rights. I've been dating my bf for 4 years and it would be nice to actually call it official in a state of law.
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Just want to point this out, because I never liked this way of thinking.
You have equal rights. I am not gay, and I can't marry a man either. You are gay, but you can still marry a woman. Thus we both have the same rights. That makes them equal.
We just both have less rights then we should. Both of us should be allowed to legally form a union with a man, even if I never chose to exercise that right.
I bring this up, because I hate the terms "gay rights", "women's rights", "minority rights" and so on. They are human rights. We all get them.
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Why does gender even have to be involved with "rights" in general? I thought these human rights were based on the people, not gender specificity.
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As far as government rights in the US, they should not.
The problem is we took a religious institution, and used it to form laws. The Christian marriage is between a man and a woman. I am an atheist, but I still think it's wrong for government to tell a christian church that they have to do something there bible tells them is wrong.
So, the best way to solve it is to disconnect the religion from the law, and thus remove the emotional element from your rights. You and the person you love should be afforded the same government advantages as me and the person I love. Period. To do otherwise, is a violation. If you find my first post, you will see that I think all Marriage in the eyes of government should not matter. Not just gay marriage.
That way, you can go to the court house in any state, sign up for civil unity (just like I would have to do), and then go find a religious institution that will marry you, if you feel that's important.
The second part you and your boyfriend can still do today. The government can not stop you from being married. They just don't have to recognize it.
Another thing I am in favor of, is just removing civil unions all together. Why does marriage mean anything to government?
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There are sects of Christianity that find homosexuality to be perfectly acceptable. And Christianity is really just a big scapegoat here. Heterosexual couples could meet for the first time in Vegas and get married that afternoon. Atheists and Agnostics are all allowed to get married, despite neither one of them being Christian when it comes down to it. both of these are a bigger insult to Christianity's institution of marrriage than 2 gay guys who have known each other years getting married.
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If the law passes and it's called marriage, that cool with me. The only reason I recommend changing it, is calling it that is a slap in the face to most Christians.
Just calling it something else (because in reality, it is something else) just makes more since.
Again, I think any kind of legal between two people should be eliminated. All the rights you want, should not be based on occupancy anyway. If I want to put my friend down the street on my insurance policy, why shouldn't I be allowed to? If I want to let my babysitter have all the rights my wife currently has if I am hospitalizes, why shouldn't I?
Just take all these stupid perks away because someone got married, and no one will care anymore if this church or that church marries you or not.
Marriage is a personal thing anyway, and not a government thing.
If the law passes and it's called marriage, that cool with me. The only reason I recommend changing it, is calling it that is a slap in the face to most Christians.
Just calling it something else (because in reality, it is something else) just makes more since.
Again, I think any kind of legal between two people should be eliminated. All the rights you want, should not be based on occupancy anyway. If I want to put my friend down the street on my insurance policy, why shouldn't I be allowed to? If I want to let my babysitter have all the rights my wife currently has if I am hospitalizes, why shouldn't I?
Just take all these stupid perks away because someone got married, and no one will care anymore if this church or that church marries you or not.
Marriage is a personal thing anyway, and not a government thing.